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    Help identifying an engraved name (maybe dutch?)

    Can anyone help with suggestions as to what this engraved name may be?
    the more I look at it the more alternatives I come up with....so wanted to run it by others.
    (possibly dutch?)

    all suggestions welcome

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    Trying to research this piece it is military but not ordnance.

    Hendrik Everhard Hoving is a name that I have come across that could fit the piece itself, however there are issues in the match.

    the engraving looks like 'Honing', however tracing it with my finger it maybe possible that it is 'Hoving', with the formation of the I . Also is the H a 'H' or possible 'K' ?
    the other issue is the middle part which looks like 'ele' - was there any abreviations for the name Everhard in dutch, nicknames or similar - or am I simply trying to make something fit that doesnt. It could also be 'de' but the d part is not closed up as I would have expected.

    indeed is the first letter an 'H'.

    I've been looking at this far too long, and will be seeing fairies and goblins next............all help appreciated. It would just be nice for it to be looked on with 'fresh eyes'.
    concensus of opinion would be great.
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    Kev,

    i'm seeing the name "H de Koning" in the engraving...
    Could be completely off, but that's what i make of it...
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    That is indeed what it looks like. And "de Koning" is a typical Dutch surname.

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    thank you for the comments.

    Here are some photos of the rest of the item. It is engraved on the top and bottom. I think the engravings are quite significant, but I would also like to see what others make of them.
    I am not familiar with dutch records, but is it possible to trace this person?

    regards Kev

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    Kev,

    It should be possible to ID the owner completely, as the number 87214 is most likely the guys service number in the Dutch (or even Belgian) army.
    My guess it's the Dutch army following the 'batavia' marking on the box...
    Also the fact he served as (enlisted) sergeant pyrotechnician can narrow the search...
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    From the place names and the dates it would seem the chap was captured by the Japanese in the Dutch East Indies, and ended up in the PoW camp at Kanchanaburi - hence the "trench art" barbed wire fence engraving. Kanchanaburi had the main camps for organising PoW slave labour for the Thailand-Burma Railway, and is the site of the real-life Bridge on the Kwai river...





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    Quote Originally Posted by Snufkin View Post
    From the place names and the dates it would seem the chap was captured by the Japanese in the Dutch East Indies, and ended up in the PoW camp at Kanchanaburi - hence the "trench art" barbed wire fence engraving. Kanchanaburi had the main camps for organising PoW slave labour for the Thailand-Burma Railway, and is the site of the real-life Bridge on the Kwai river...





    Tom.
    I think you may well be right Tom. I was of a similar opinion, but its always better to hear it from someone else to confirm ones suspicions. Appreciated.

    I can add a little more information which I obtained from the seller, though it is unfortunately limited.

    It was bought from a lady who claimed it belonged to her Grandfathers brother. Both her Grandfather and his brother were said to be in the same concentration camp. Unfortunately his brother (to whom this box belonged) died. I have been told this was due to malnurishment and other diseases. ?? It was also listed as a tobacco tin, but again that was just pure speculation.


    It would certainly be interesting to see if any records exist of this man.

    many thanks for all the help so far and indeed for any further help

    regards Kev

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    Last edited by TimG; 13th November 2015 at 06:10 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TimG View Post
    Thanks Tim, thats the closest one yet.

    I wonder if anyone knows if the number on the tin refers to his army number or pow number?

    is it 87214 or 87274 - I think the former, but again opinion welcome.

    Kev

 

 
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