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Hooked quillion bayonet
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smle2009
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nice find,it's not Indian or it would be marked E.R.I (Edward Rex Imperiatus),the curved crows foot is normal for this period.
This examples does not look like it has any makers mark(not unusual) but the 'X' bend test mark as well as the inspection marks would comfirm it is English,the dates are intresting as it was manufactured in January 1910 but the '14 (1914) would suggest that it was modified or seriously refurbished/repaired in 1914 but survived having the quillion removed(ordered to be removed,L of C 29 October,1913)
This examples does not look like it has any makers mark(not unusual) but the 'X' bend test mark as well as the inspection marks would comfirm it is English,the dates are intresting as it was manufactured in January 1910 but the '14 (1914) would suggest that it was modified or seriously refurbished/repaired in 1914 but survived having the quillion removed(ordered to be removed,L of C 29 October,1913)
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Great find - getting harder to find these nowadays!
Yes not Indian as they were somewhat "resistant" to introducing the 1907 pattern until 1911 as they preferred to keep the 1903 pattern (well, in fact preferred the Japanese version after the 1907 trials)
The Indian manufactured ones were produced by the "Rifle Factory Ishapore" and had a "RFI" stamped on the ricasso (in addition to the "ERI"......well in theory should have been "GRI" in 1911)
Interesting if the bayonet was submitted for repairs /modifications, then it is unusual that the hook wasn't removed as the model B235 (without the hook) was approved in 1913.
Yes not Indian as they were somewhat "resistant" to introducing the 1907 pattern until 1911 as they preferred to keep the 1903 pattern (well, in fact preferred the Japanese version after the 1907 trials)
The Indian manufactured ones were produced by the "Rifle Factory Ishapore" and had a "RFI" stamped on the ricasso (in addition to the "ERI"......well in theory should have been "GRI" in 1911)
Interesting if the bayonet was submitted for repairs /modifications, then it is unusual that the hook wasn't removed as the model B235 (without the hook) was approved in 1913.
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Was quite happy with it myself when i stumbled across it in a little shop in Arromaches for €30. What woul be the best way to stop the rust wirhout damaging it.
I have also read that a lot of Australian regiments had them before they decided it wasn't fit for purpose, Could it have been made in Australia? Is the man on the horse significant? I'm also looking for a scabbard for it if anyone's got one lying around?
I have also read that a lot of Australian regiments had them before they decided it wasn't fit for purpose, Could it have been made in Australia? Is the man on the horse significant? I'm also looking for a scabbard for it if anyone's got one lying around?
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smle2009
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the E is not above or part of the X mark it is below and part of the inspection mark,by Enfield,and is no indication of it being manufactured by Enfield but more likely a sub contractors bayonet inspected and tested at Enfield, Enfield manufactured bayonets would be have EFD marked on it somewhere.
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peregrinvs
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I would recommend electrolysis as this shouldn't have any effect on the remaining bluing.
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/andyspatch/rust.htm
You can see an example of a suitable early type P1907 scabbard here:
http://www.ima-usa.com/british-p-1907-first-model-hooked-quillon-bayonet-earliest-scabbard.html
peregrinvs
Well-Known Member
No. The electrolysis removes the top layer of red oxide and leaves a thin layer of black oxide underneath. The latter can be scrubbed off.