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    Question Did the British/Americans deploy anti-personnel bombs in WW2?

    After spending several decades studying German SD2 Butterfly Bombs, it suddenly occurred to me, did the British/Americans deploy similar anti-personnel bombs in WW2? (And I don't mean the M83). I've seen very little/next to nothing ever written on the subject.

    If so, what were they and if not, why not?

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    The British used the 8lb fragmentation bomb. A bit like a round cheese, approx 150mm x 75mm.

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    GBR : Frag 8 lbs, Frag 20 lbs
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    Quote Originally Posted by LEI-13-HG View Post
    .........And I don't mean the M83).
    Why not the M 83? It was certainly made in WW2 but how widespread it was used I don't know.

    Dave.
    Last edited by SG500; 13th July 2016 at 08:58 PM.

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    Because it was not an original Allied device, just copied from the Germans and I am well aware of it.

    The M83 was only put into production in 1944 but the training films suggest its use was for the Pacific. Although it was definitely used in Korea and Vietnam, I'm not even sure it was used in WW2.

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    You need to define what you are looking for as an "anti-personnel" bomb. Most bombs, including submunitions, are generally anti-material, while any bomb can be considered anti-personnel if you are in the wrong place. Many designs have incorporated anti-movement features like those in the SD-2 / M83 to prevent re-occupying an area or clearing a runway etc., but that does not mean that they were designed or specifically intended as antipersonnel. Size is not a criteria, even Lazy Dogs were generally considered anti-material. Munitions specifically designed for AP use were generally later (60s-70s) and fell into types like gravel mines, ADAM, PAWS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by US-Subs View Post
    You need to define what you are looking for as an "anti-personnel" bomb. Most bombs, including submunitions, are generally anti-material, while any bomb can be considered anti-personnel if you are in the wrong place. Many designs have incorporated anti-movement features like those in the SD-2 / M83 to prevent re-occupying an area or clearing a runway etc., but that does not mean that they were designed or specifically intended as antipersonnel. Size is not a criteria, even Lazy Dogs were generally considered anti-material. Munitions specifically designed for AP use were generally later (60s-70s) and fell into types like gravel mines, ADAM, PAWS.
    Sorry, but I think you're just splitting hairs now - nobody on this forum could mistake exactly what the type of munition I was referring to on this post.

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    I disagree.
    Classifying the SD-2 as an AP munition because of its size is incorrect. With due respect to Yodamaster neither of the two small bombs/submunitions he mentions was intended as AP either, though they clearly have AP effects. Likewise classifying bombs as AP simply because they can contain an anti-disturbance fuze is inaccurate and incorrect. Otherwise any bomb that can take any anti-disturbance fuze, regardless of size would be considered AP. Without definition you lack clarity and it is not possible to answer your question. Would the AN-M50X submunitions apply? Or the AN-M50T? The MK34? Define your terms.
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    All dug or live ordnance shown in my posts is under EOD control and has been or will be dealt with accordingly by EOD personnel

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