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The Future of the UK Armed Forces

Tony Williams

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For those of you able to access the BBC Parliament channel, this evening (Sat 21 Jan) at 9.00 pm is the first of a lecture series called "Speaker's House", which will feature Julian Lewis MP (Conservative Chairman of the Defence Select Committee) speaking on the subject "The Future of the Armed Forces".

To those of you unfamiliar with British political institutions, there are several Select Committees of the House of Commons focusing on specific topics. These Committees are made up of MPs with a particular interest in the subjects and are cross-party, with their political makeup being similar to the Commons as a whole. They choose their own Chairmen and can call Ministers to attend their meetings to be questioned.
 
From across the pond, the future does not look very bright: carriers with no planes, ships without missiles, etc. I think you will be down to 20 ships, four subs, 20 F-35 planes and couple hundred tanks soon. Of course, US military capacity will be declining rapidly also.
 
Well, there are F-35B planes on order for the carriers, but these big ships will create their own problems. They have no means of self-defence except for Phalanx, so each will need to be escorted by a minimum of one of our AAW destroyers and one of our ASW frigates. Given that we only have a total of six destroyers and eight ASW frigates altogether (with no more planned), that will leave very few warships available for anything else - there are just five GP frigates. We do have seven hunter-killer nuclear subs and four boomers, though.

Yes, we only have a couple of hundred tanks and they badly need updating, which is supposed to happen before too long.
 
Considering the geopolitics, Arabic and Chinese might come in handy, as well. Here's hoping for a new wave of ship construction and ending the PC BS that has infiltrated the ranks. At least get us back to the "mine's bigger than yours" level.
 
I thought that I had stirred the pot enough. Now that you have brought it up, it is my understanding the country will be majority Muslims by 2050, and they will tear all the old institutions down and rebuild in their image.
 
Donald Trump. Brilliant!!!!! I see Kim Kardashian is 250/1 to be the next US president!

Worth a punt??? :tinysmile_eyebrow_t
 
Russia has the same GDP as Italy so Putin is spending money he doesn't have on his new arms.

How long before Russia is as bankrupt as Greece? Oh they are already - OK....

John
 
My edited notes on the presentations:

Julian Lewis

We cannot predict the next war (recent wars were all unexpected) so it is essential to adopt flexibility in organising, equipping and training the armed forces.

The MoD has identified three tiers of warfare to prepare for, in priority order:

1. Terrorism, cyber warfare, and becoming involved in conflicts between other states

2. Chemical, biological and nuclear warfare (low probability but high impact)

3. Defence against a conventional military attack (low priority, but a serious problem if it occurs).

Russia had not been considered a serious threat until recently, but its resurgence should give a higher priority to defence against conventional attack.

The UK has preserved a full spectrum of capability but with a budget far below that of crisis levels. In 1963 6% of GDP was spent on defence; the same on welfare and similar sums on education and health. Now only 2% is spent on defence – the education budget is 2.5x larger, health is 4x and welfare 6x. Until the end of the Cold War the defence budget had been 4.3-5.1% of GDP. The NATO figure of 2% is a minimum, not a target.

Defence against nuclear war is satisfactory with the decision to order new Trident subs, but conventional deterrence is more difficult – we need strong armed forces and a strong alliance, in which the USA's involvement is essential. WW1 and WW2 may never had taken place if the aggressors had known that the US would immediately intervene against them. However, the NATO 'freeriders' who spent less than 2% on defence need to increase their funding.

The Heads of the Services are not sufficiently involved in strategic planning, leading to governments making unrealistic commitments without funding them. We are currently not spending nearly enough on conventional defence. Our defence forces are an insurance policy and we need to pay the premium!

It is being suggested that David Cameron might be NATO's next Secretary-General, but that would not be a good idea as he had shown poor judgement in military matters while Prime Minister.

To counter Islamic extremists we need to apply force selectively, and not base our actions on wishful thinking. We can't impose our western values until countries are ready for that, and we should stay out of Islamic countries and not get involved in the Shia/Sunni conflicts.

We should not apply civilian law to military situations, as is now happening (e.g. Northern Ireland, going back 40+ years – soldiers being faced with legal action); this has major consequences for morale and recruitment. There should be a Statute of Limitations for Northern Ireland.

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Response by Deborah Haynes, The Times Defence Editor

We should have world-class armed forces, but the viability of our defence is in question given the funding gap – there is not enough money to meet the government's ambitions, yet the MoD is still having to make more cuts.

The new aircraft carriers are fine, but what about affording enough F-35s to go on them (still supposed to be 138 bought) and affording the crews to man both?

It is difficult to get a sense of how much money is really needed. £178 billion is supposed to be spent on equipment over the next ten years but this gives no sense of how much is needed, and whether or not spending represents value for money or is being misspent and wasted. The defence industries 'run rings around' the MoD.

The government often defers expenditure on projects to save money in the short term but this leads to increased costs in the long term. Military chiefs seem to be cowed by their political masters, only speaking out after they have retired.

The MoD does not seem to be planning, or even talking about, defence against potential Russian aggression.

We need to invest much more in future technologies – spending on unmanned systems and artificial intelligence is only on a small scale.
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I can't say I found anything to disagree with from either presenter. The UK armed forces are in a far worse state than the British public generally realises, and are in danger of becoming a paper tiger.
 
Worth noting that in 1963 we had about 12 aircraft carriers! Everything was much cheaper then.

John
 
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