1898 Winchester Repeating Arms Co. 160x1092R

[DEADLINE222]

What gun fired this?

Winchester Repeating Arms Co.

Dated March of 1898.

The measurements are: 160x1092R

I would imagine you don't see these too often.

I purchased it from a 59 year old man who received the casing from a old woman who's husband collected oddities from around the world.

The seller received the casing when he was in the eight grade while living in Cleveland, Ohio.

 

[reccetrooper]

160mm is 6.3 inch.
In 1898 the Cavite batteries in the Phillipines had two 6.3 inch breech loading Hontorita guns, so maybe that could be a starting point to see if the Spanish guns used cases like yours. I don't know what happened to the guns after US forces landed.

 

[highlandotter]

I can not find any US round listed for anything near that in the late 1890's when Winchester was active in US production of large rounds with that distinctive head stamp. Could not find anything from England or Germany whoh made lots of export guns . No Spanish listed either. Hope someone else has a better library and can help.

 

[HAZORD]

My 6 inch 40 cal casings are 1055mm tall and 6-1/8 inches inside the mouth.

 

[HAZORD]

Can you measure the diameter across the case head rim?

 

[charley777]

Hello
Curiously the French Mle 1936 used a case .... 152 x 1092R x216
Perhaps the case is 182mm across the rim.......possibly American case for a variant of the Schneider-Canet naval gun as used and later modernized by Russia/Soviet Union?
Interesting......we need the rim diameter to go much further.

 

[bdgreen]

6 inch Rifled Gun Case Drawing Bureau of Ord. 1892, WRA Co., 1893, 1897

 

[highlandotter]

Looks pretty close. certainly in the most likely time period.

 

[HAZORD]

If anybody has Bob Hawkinson's Case book, its probably listed there.

 

[highlandotter]

I did't see it there, but might have missed it.

 

[DEADLINE222]

Thank you for all of the help thus far, my friends.

150mm diameter on the head rim.

17mm diameter primer well.

 

[bdgreen]

150mm rim diameter???

150mm = 5.9 inches, that doesn't make sense for a 6 inch case!!!!

Brian

 

[DEADLINE222]

150mm rim diameter???

150mm = 5.9 inches, that doesn't make sense for a 6 inch case!!!!

Brian

Stupid me.

I don't know where I came up with 160mm for the mouth. It is only 128mm +/-

And yes, the head rim is still 150mm.

Sorry guys. I FAIL.

 

[HAZORD]

As long as you are getting calibrated, what is the length of the case now?

 

[DEADLINE222]

1092mm

109cm + 2mm

34.7500"

34-3/4"

 

[HAZORD]

Not sure whose math you are using, but 1092mm= 43".
25.4mm/inch

34-3/4 inches = 882.7mm

If indeed your case is 34-3/4 inches long, 150mm across the rim, and 5 inches across the mouth, then it matches my Winchester 5" 40 Cal case made in 1893.

 

[highlandotter]

I cannot find anything with the exact measurements, but it sounds like an early(late 1890s) 5" US Navy round, which is what is what Hazord has. I think that is it until, or if, more data turn up.

 

[DEADLINE222]

Call the cops if I am wrong, but the numbers on the bottom are centimeters, correct?

1 centimeter is 10mm?

109 centimeters is 1090mm?

+ 2mm = 1092mm.

I paid zero attention in math class. Slap me around like a little blonde girl if warranted.

Shame on me.

Please be gentle.

 

[HAZORD]

I don't know what the hell scale that ruler is. What you think are centimeters are divided into 8 subdivisions instead of 10. The numbers aren't centimeters. This is America. We use inches. Throw that ruler away!

The small divisions appear to be millimeters, but there are only 8 per the number on the scale. Instead of multiplying the 109.5 times 10, multiply it by 8 and that will give the correct number of millimeters. 109.5 X 8 = 876 which is close to the 882 I quoted above.

 

[kiwieod]

that is one ugly ruler,whatever those are below the inches they are not millimeters,i would definatley bin that one!