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    German 5cm HVAP projectiles

    Hello everyone,
    I have my eye on a semi-relic German 5cm PzGr.40 HVAP (Arrowhead, APCBC). My question is, are specific projectiles made for the 2 different 5cm cases? Tried looking online but cant find a definitive answer.

    I have a round for the KwK39 and a case coming for a PaK38 but is there a difference in the projectiles they used? Would be nice to be able to make a correct, complete 5cm PzGr40 round.

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    Hi Rys, the PzGr40 was used on a shellcase for the 5cm Kwk38 L/42 and the 5cm Pak 39. The Kwk38 shellcase is shorter than the Pak shellcase, but they have one thing in common, they have a longer straight neck and a low crimp, so, the Pzgr40shellcase is not interchangable with the Pzgr and the HE shell.
    Here some pictures, clearly showing the difference.
    So make shure you do not buy a Pzgr39 or HE shell shellcase with a Pzgr40 projectile on it
    Regards, DJH

    5cm Pzgr.40 ausf.B. (type B) for the 5cm Kw.K.38 L/42, as used in the Pzkw. type III. The projectile is a arrow shaped steel body, containing a tungsten carbide core. The tip of the projectile is a bakelite nose, screwed in top of the steel body. The upper part of the tip has a thin steel shield to prevent it from breaking up if handled. The weight of the projectile is 0,925 kg (2,03 Lb), the tungsten core has a weight of 0,335 kg (0,74 Lb).
    In the bottom of the projectile a tracer element No.8 is screwed in, it burns for two seconds. Length of the projectile is 138mm (including tracer)
    Length of tungsten core: 43mm.
    Vo.: 1060 mtrs/sec. Penetration (at a 30 degree angle): 96mm at 100 mtrs, 58mm at 500 mtrs.
    The shellcase is a cupper cladded steel shellcase with a length of 289mm. The powdercharge exists of a small bag of riflepowder in the bottom of the shellcase, above and around the electric primer. It contains 10 grams of Nz. Man. Np. (1,5x1,5) powder. The main charge is available in two types, either: 577 grams of Digl.Rp. (Diglycol powderstick) 8,2(188x2,2/0,85) (188mm long x outer dia.ø2,2mm /hole ø0,85mm), either 515 grams Digl.Rp. 9,5(188x2,5/0,9).
    Length of the complete cartridge is 360mm.
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    Last edited by pzgr40; 12th September 2017 at 04:07 PM.

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    And the Pak version on a WRONG shellcase
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    Thank you very much pzgr40, that explains it! I may or may not have the correct KwK38 casing at home, I will have to check.

    I will send you a PM as I still have a few questions.

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    Has anyone ever seen a 5cm Pzgr40/1 or have any additional information -- 4th from left in the picture attached

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    Not in all my years of collecting, and not with any of the specialized German collectors.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by RichardB View Post
    Has anyone ever seen a 5cm Pzgr40/1 or have any additional information -- 4th from left in the picture attached Rich
    Two types of the 5 cm Pzgr 40/1 are shown in the Geschossringbuch.
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