German 77mm - Fuze type?

[MissingSomething]

Can anyone help with the identity of this fuze? Suppose to be a German 77mm. No markings on it but the numbers for the timer (0-18).

 

[MINENAZ16]

Hello,

Erhardt fuze type. Many countries used fuze with this Erhardt design.
Your shell could be a 15Pr shrapnel with No 58 fuze (20 seconds).

Regards

 

[MissingSomething]

Hello,

Erhardt fuze type. Many countries used fuze with this Erhardt design.
Your shell could be a 15Pr shrapnel with No 58 fuze (20 seconds).

Regards


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Thanks for the info.... I may have to pull the shell from the case to check it... More I find out... more it looks like it might be a British issue shell and not German.

Where did you get the scan picture of the Shrapnel Shell?

 

[MINENAZ16]

sorry I can't remember where I found the scan (photos of 15pdr is from Bocn).
herewith other documentation

 

[Depotman]

Thanks for the info.... I may have to pull the shell from the case to check it... More I find out... more it looks like it might be a British issue shell and not German.

Where did you get the scan picture of the Shrapnel Shell?

The scan is from Hogg and Thurston's book "British Artillery Weapons and Ammunition 1914-1918". Depotman

 

[MissingSomething]

Soo... Thanks for the help guys... got the shell out of the case.. voila... 15 pdr..... not even German

Can anyone help out with the maker... Looks like BH and there is a partial "box in a circle" stamp above.

 

[Alpini]

Great Shell! The maker is indeed German: It's made by Rheinische Metallwaaren- und Maschinenfabrik. This factory was also the Inventor of the "System Ehrhardt".

 

[TimG]

Alpini,

The first 54,000 rounds for the British 15 pounder 'Ehrhadrt' were supplied by Germany. Is it possible that this example is one of those? The reason I ask is the presence of the non standard 15 Pr and the FS stamped on the base.

TimG

 

[MissingSomething]

Alpini,

The first 54,000 rounds for the British 15 pounder 'Ehrhadrt' were supplied by Germany. Is it possible that this example is one of those? The reason I ask is the presence of the non standard 15 Pr and the FS stamped on the base.

TimG

Hi Tim, I cross posted this to the IAA forum as well and got the following response.

15 is the year and “Pr” is the type of steel used (manufacture procedure).
The Rheimetall logo (above the letters BH) speaks for it self and the fuze is also a Rheinmetall design.
Nothing British in this! Maybe it once was fired at British troops but that’s about it.
But for a 15pdr the driving band looks incorrect.

 

[Alpini]

Is it possible that this example is one of those?

Hi Tim,

I would say absolutely for sure it is one of them. And it is the first I have seen, that's why I am so impressed

@MissingSomething: I see your question about the logo is already answered. Is it the originial case for the Ehrhardt 15-Pounder which came with the shell? If yes, it would be also very interesting to see.

 

[MissingSomething]

Here is the case that it was attached to.

 

[MissingSomething]

All 4 cases are 230 mm in length and Rim is 90 mm

 

[Alpini]

Ok, these are for the german Feldkanone 96 n/A & 16 and do not belong to your shrapnel shell.

 

[MissingSomething]

Ok, these are for the german Feldkanone 96 n/A & 16 and do not belong to your shrapnel shell.

I would think it should have a pre-WW1 British 15 pdr case to be correct?

 

[Burney Davis]

Hi Tim, I cross posted this to the IAA forum as well and got the following response.

The IAA forum has now been updated with more accurate information.