121 fuze

[SG500]

This was another lucky find at Stoneleigh, a 121 fuze. Always handy to have a spare for that odd fuzeless projectile that has a habit of coming along when you've not got the right fuze!
Dave.

 

[SG500]

Another one but with a difference.

This ones another what I thought was a 121 (same size etc.) but I'm not so sure so am looking for help from the expert fuze collectors please.
The lower movable ring has a completely different profile than a normal 121 and it also has a screw thread on the inside of it. The top bit has a much sharper profile than a normal 121.
It looks like there is a ring missing but if it is it must be a very thin one, the top part doesn't screw down as far as it should but if it did there would only be a few mm for the missing ring.
Any ideas anyone. Other than the severely mangled numbers on the base part there is no marking on this.
Dave.

 

[AndyD]

Hi Dave,

From my official notes,the only one I can see that looks like yours is the No 127 fuze,as this is the only one with a notch cut out of the top cap.

I could be totally wrong as the pics in my docs are line drawings rather than photos!

Cheers,
Andy

 

[Bonnex]

This ones another what I thought was a 121 (same size etc.) but I'm not so sure so am looking for help from the expert fuze collectors please.
The lower movable ring has a completely different profile than a normal 121 and it also has a screw thread on the inside of it. The top bit has a much sharper profile than a normal 121.
It looks like there is a ring missing but if it is it must be a very thin one, the top part doesn't screw down as far as it should but if it did there would only be a few mm for the missing ring.
Any ideas anyone. Other than the severely mangled numbers on the base part there is no marking on this.
Dave.

Dave there were couple Vickers designs (precursors to the 120) which might fit the bill. The design numbers were 40092G and 40101G and I think they may be found on early 1 1/2Pr, 2 Pr and 1.57-inch toffee apples. As might Vickers designs 41817G (single ring) and 44243G (double ring), and others, which led to the No 121.

 

[SG500]

Dave there were couple Vickers designs (precursors to the 120) which might fit the bill. The design numbers were 40092G and 40101G and I think they may be found on early 1 1/2Pr, 2 Pr and 1.57-inch toffee apples. As might Vickers designs 41817G (single ring) and 44243G (double ring), and others, which led to the No 121.

Thanks Norman I don't suppose you have any line drawings of one do you? Such a shame someone went and mangled it.
Dave.

 

[tigbrand]

Fuze.

Possibly made to fit an export round for the 2 pdr gun.The lack of Ord arrow is usaully the clue. People forget Vickers sold the gun and ammo abroad.If i could find the post theres another similiar one posted recently with a base fused round.Tig

 

[Pascal]

Hello

Here is a 121Mk II drawing

 

[Bonnex]

No 120 Type Fuze

Thanks Norman I don't suppose you have any line drawings of one do you? Such a shame someone went and mangled it.
Dave.

Sorry Dave, I wish I did but alas I have not managed to find these particular Vickers drawings. The 120 type was procured by the Navy and can be found on 2-pr projectiles with a Hotchkiss base fuze. I have seen a few of this configuration (but not many) and from recollection the nose fuzes were all unmarked which as Tig says, is unusual; a rush job perhaps. Doctor found something similar on a Vicker's toffee apple which, if he reads this, he might show us a photo of.

 

[doctor]

hi
hope i've time this evening to show here my differents type of fuzes

 

[doctor]

Hi
1 picture N0012 show from left to right the 3 fuzes used on trench mortar 1.75 in and 2 fuzes for 2Pr shell
2 Picture N0013 show zoom of two fuze for 2 Pr shell (no stamping n on left fuze, stamping 121 on right)
3 Picture N0014 zoom of trench fuze

The fuze for 2 Pr shell have no gaine and no security pin on base graduated body.
The first fuze for shell can have the top and body in aluminium , setting ring in brass picture 42

 

[doctor]

Picture 42 & 43 fuze for 2 pr shell

 

[SG500]

Hi
1 picture N0012 show from left to right the 3 fuzes used on trench mortar 1.75 in and 2 fuzes for 2Pr shell
2 Picture N0013 show zoom of two fuze for 2 Pr shell (no stamping n on left fuze, stamping 121 on right)
3 Picture N0014 zoom of trench fuze

The fuze for 2 Pr shell have no gaine and no security pin on base graduated body.
The first fuze for shell can have the top and body in aluminium , setting ring in brass picture 42

Thanks Doctor, mine is identical to the one you show in the centre picture on the left. Similar condition too. Any ideas on what type it is?
Dave.

 

[doctor]

Hi
I think this fuzet could be N120 but no stamp on

 

[SG500]

Hi
I think this fuzet could be N120 but no stamp on

Hi Doctor, the one on the link below is the 120 - its different.
Any other ideas?
Dave.

http://www.bocn.co.uk/vbforum/120-fuze-t62800.html?t=62800

 

[John D. Bartleson Jr.]

Similar to English Armstrong E Metal Time Fuze;

It is amazing how similar the 121 is to Armstrong's 'E' Metal Time fuze.
What era was the 121 used?
Regards,
John aka Bart

 

[doctor]

Hi SG500$
Hey sorry, because the fuze on the left shell is not good, it's for TM 1.57in and not for shell:tinysmile_eyebrow_t

 

[SG500]

Hi SG500$
Hey sorry, because the fuze on the left shell is not good, it's for TM 1.57in and not for shell:tinysmile_eyebrow_t

Thanks Doctor, that's great thanks for clarifying that. Does anyone have a TM 1.57in with one of these fuzes they can post a photograph or line drawing of please?
Dave.

 

[SG500]

It is amazing how similar the 121 is to Armstrong's 'E' Metal Time fuze.
What era was the 121 used?
Regards,
John aka Bart

John according the fuze list on the following link the 121 was introduced in 1916.
Dave.

http://www.bocn.co.uk/vbforum/list-british-fuzes-t20156.html

 

[John D. Bartleson Jr.]

Fuze Cmparison;

Thanks Dave. I wonder, does anyone know when the Armstreong E Metal Time Fuze was made obsolete?
Look at Pascal's line drawing and really see the comparison.
Regards,
John

 

[Depotman]

Thanks Dave. I wonder, does anyone know when the Armstreong E Metal Time Fuze was made obsolete?
Look at Pascal's line drawing and really see the comparison.
Regards,
John

John, The Armstrong E Metal Time Fuze was eventually numbered as No. 22 and made obsolete in 1904.
Regards.
Trevor