peregrinvs
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It's a 1916 dated 4.5in case, but what else can be gleaned from the headstamps?
Thanks,
Mark
Thanks,
Mark
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1916 4.5 inch Case
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peregrinvs
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Thanks. Good to know. It was a bit of a whim purchase as it was only a fiver. I did have a mild panic afterwards when I saw another one on a different stall that was slightly longer and assumed my one had been cut down.
dano1917
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Aah, the British WWI 4.5" howitzer shell casing. I love the headstamps on most British shell casings. Almost without exception the headstamp is a strong and pronounced strike. The howitzer casings display well, and on a shoestring budget a collector can put together and right nice collection of shell casings. What is the take on this one with an unfired primer??
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Hello everyone
I don't want to do the nonbeliever, but is that sure than M.A.C. is an english manufacturer?
I always thought he was canadian. I say that because on all cases M.A.C. ( or M.A.C.N. ) I have there is the broad arrow inside a C, as on the others canadian cases.
For me, M.A.C. is part of a group of canadian manufacturers, whose use what I name a system of alphabets to number the lots. If I am right, the first lot is 1-A, the second 1-B, when the first alphabet is ended by 1-Z the following is 2-A....
In this group, I know CC&F, CPR, DCPC, MAC and MLW.
Moreover, I think that DCPC had succeded to MAC in 1917. The cases of DCPC, I ever seen, are dated 1917 with very high lot's number, and MAC deseappears in 1917.
I have:
18PrII MAC.N 277-S (2-12-16)
MAC 286-J (15-11-16)
DCPC ( with EOB above) 301-N (2-4-17)
4.5 IN II MAC 99-W (23-1-17)
DCPC 144-D (14-5-17)
Note the letters B.A. above the date on the two 4.5 IN.
If anybody has an example which permitts to compress the bracket between MAC and DCPC, I will be very glad to know it.
Regards
Dandebur
I don't want to do the nonbeliever, but is that sure than M.A.C. is an english manufacturer?
I always thought he was canadian. I say that because on all cases M.A.C. ( or M.A.C.N. ) I have there is the broad arrow inside a C, as on the others canadian cases.
For me, M.A.C. is part of a group of canadian manufacturers, whose use what I name a system of alphabets to number the lots. If I am right, the first lot is 1-A, the second 1-B, when the first alphabet is ended by 1-Z the following is 2-A....
In this group, I know CC&F, CPR, DCPC, MAC and MLW.
Moreover, I think that DCPC had succeded to MAC in 1917. The cases of DCPC, I ever seen, are dated 1917 with very high lot's number, and MAC deseappears in 1917.
I have:
18PrII MAC.N 277-S (2-12-16)
MAC 286-J (15-11-16)
DCPC ( with EOB above) 301-N (2-4-17)
4.5 IN II MAC 99-W (23-1-17)
DCPC 144-D (14-5-17)
Note the letters B.A. above the date on the two 4.5 IN.
If anybody has an example which permitts to compress the bracket between MAC and DCPC, I will be very glad to know it.
Regards
Dandebur
Falcon
Well-Known Member
That looks like a primer which wasn't ever actually loaded. What looks like an unfired primer cap is actually the anvil.
TimG. Would M.A. Co. be Macfarlane Electric Company then ?
Hello everyone
TimG
I thank you for your reply.
In a previous answer about canadian production of 18Pr cases for 1918, you say: the figure is 2,816,492.
Sorry, but I don't understand, I would be very glad if you could explain me what that means.
Thanks by advance.
Arjen
4.5 Inch MkII replaces MkI in 1916. I cannot be more precise except for some canadian manufactures. I have the limits:
CPR
Mk1 lot 4R 1915 without date; lot 67-I (14-3-16)
MkII lot 2K (25-3-16)
MAC
Mk1 lot 8 E 1915 without date; lot 141-S( 26-4-16)
MkII lot 17 P (13-7-16)
MLW
MkI lot 6 I (10-4-16)
MkII lots 1 E (26-6-16); 1 G (27-6-16); 1 J (28-6-16).
Hope that helps
Regards
Dandebur
TimG
I thank you for your reply.
In a previous answer about canadian production of 18Pr cases for 1918, you say: the figure is 2,816,492.
Sorry, but I don't understand, I would be very glad if you could explain me what that means.
Thanks by advance.
Arjen
4.5 Inch MkII replaces MkI in 1916. I cannot be more precise except for some canadian manufactures. I have the limits:
CPR
Mk1 lot 4R 1915 without date; lot 67-I (14-3-16)
MkII lot 2K (25-3-16)
MAC
Mk1 lot 8 E 1915 without date; lot 141-S( 26-4-16)
MkII lot 17 P (13-7-16)
MLW
MkI lot 6 I (10-4-16)
MkII lots 1 E (26-6-16); 1 G (27-6-16); 1 J (28-6-16).
Hope that helps
Regards
Dandebur
TimG,
I had forgotten that in English, the slices of three digits are separated by a comma. For me there were three numbers: 2, 816 and 492. stupid I am.
Nevertheless, the quantity is enormous and it is very surprising that we don't see any one here in France. But on the other hand, british cases of 18PrII dated 1918 are common.
Thank you again for the reply.
Arjen,
The oldest case of 4.5Inch MkI, I have, is dated 1910 and the more recent is dated 1916. I never see one dated 1917.
But perhaps they kept using MkI after the introduction of the MkII? I don't know.
Regards
Dandebur
I had forgotten that in English, the slices of three digits are separated by a comma. For me there were three numbers: 2, 816 and 492. stupid I am.
Nevertheless, the quantity is enormous and it is very surprising that we don't see any one here in France. But on the other hand, british cases of 18PrII dated 1918 are common.
Thank you again for the reply.
Arjen,
The oldest case of 4.5Inch MkI, I have, is dated 1910 and the more recent is dated 1916. I never see one dated 1917.
But perhaps they kept using MkI after the introduction of the MkII? I don't know.
Regards
Dandebur
Hello everyone,
TimG,
Thank you for the information, it is very instructive.
To illustrate the canadian presence in my country, I show you this example. Ordinary, I don't collect trench arted, but I have found this gravure very pleasant. Auchy-au- bois, is a village not far away of mine. I don't know what had happended between this soldier and this woman,on 9 oct 1917, but I think we can imagine.
Regards
Dandebur
TimG,
Thank you for the information, it is very instructive.
To illustrate the canadian presence in my country, I show you this example. Ordinary, I don't collect trench arted, but I have found this gravure very pleasant. Auchy-au- bois, is a village not far away of mine. I don't know what had happended between this soldier and this woman,on 9 oct 1917, but I think we can imagine.
Regards
Dandebur
