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20mm (2cm) Pzgr 40 Projectiles
- Thread starter M8owner
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The projos are most likely counterfeit. There is a lot of that going on. They take regular projectiles and turn them down and put new tips on them. Those projos look too new and too good to match those cases. They use regular projectile bodies that are already marked, so they look real. Those cases definitely look like lake recovery items.
The magnesium and aluminum is usually corroded on the real hardcore projos.
Ask for x-rays.
Caveat emptor!
The magnesium and aluminum is usually corroded on the real hardcore projos.
Ask for x-rays.
Caveat emptor!
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M8,
From searching for these in the past, there are 3 types of Pzgr40 projectiles, H, Pzgr with Steel body, H Pzgr and H Pzgr long., and if you search, this site and other sites, you'll see there are an awful lot of fakes around, as they're soo rare.
Here is a section through H Pzgr mit Stahlboden, and H Pzgr
Heres another poor fake, there are definitely better ones (as in the previous thread), but thought you might like this one as you'll might recognise the workmanship (if you scale it up) ;-)
I hope that helps
Rich
From searching for these in the past, there are 3 types of Pzgr40 projectiles, H, Pzgr with Steel body, H Pzgr and H Pzgr long., and if you search, this site and other sites, you'll see there are an awful lot of fakes around, as they're soo rare.
Here is a section through H Pzgr mit Stahlboden, and H Pzgr
Heres another poor fake, there are definitely better ones (as in the previous thread), but thought you might like this one as you'll might recognise the workmanship (if you scale it up) ;-)
I hope that helps
Rich
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Spaceinvader
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Sad to see so many fake pieces going around, guy on eBay trying to sell a "prototype" claymore mine (clearly a homemade resin cast) for over 1000$. And this guy is obviously trying to scam people from what it seems. I have to admit though I would love one for my collection though! 
M8
They're real
weight should be around 105g which they are. Which makes that just about the most staggering photo I've seen on BOCN.
With a little maths, the approximate volume of that projectile is about 6050mm^3 (19.7mm dia, 62.2mm tall of which cone is ~34.2mm tall) and if they were solid steel with density of approx 0.0078kg/mm^3 they'd weigh 47g each. They definitely have a tungsten core.
Please ship a couple to me
rich
They're real
weight should be around 105g which they are. Which makes that just about the most staggering photo I've seen on BOCN.
With a little maths, the approximate volume of that projectile is about 6050mm^3 (19.7mm dia, 62.2mm tall of which cone is ~34.2mm tall) and if they were solid steel with density of approx 0.0078kg/mm^3 they'd weigh 47g each. They definitely have a tungsten core.
Please ship a couple to me
rich
There is some more info here.... http://www.bocn.co.uk/vbforum/threads/80402-2cm-Pzgr40-Hartkern-Fakes?
Best regards Weasel.
Best regards Weasel.
Hi Steve,
IMHO, it's all down to rarity and quality, and not size or infamy (eg 88's) having just found 10 items that people hunt for a long time to find, their rarity has arguably decreased. Then again, with 6 of them, you can cherry pick what and who to trade them.
The standard 75mm pzgr39 is very easy to find over here. So I would not equate a 2cm Pzgr40 to a 7,5cm Pzgr39.
On the other hand a non Marine (Panther/JadgPanzer IV/70) kwk42 round is a lot harder to find in non relic condition, and probably worth more in excellent condition
That would be my honest opinion, I hope that helps.
IMHO, it's all down to rarity and quality, and not size or infamy (eg 88's) having just found 10 items that people hunt for a long time to find, their rarity has arguably decreased. Then again, with 6 of them, you can cherry pick what and who to trade them.
The standard 75mm pzgr39 is very easy to find over here. So I would not equate a 2cm Pzgr40 to a 7,5cm Pzgr39.
On the other hand a non Marine (Panther/JadgPanzer IV/70) kwk42 round is a lot harder to find in non relic condition, and probably worth more in excellent condition
That would be my honest opinion, I hope that helps.
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The first two have arrived. They seem to be the real thing. They are heavy for their size. Both are marked "aux 5b41". I will see what I can do about getting them X-rayed. Mick has graciously offered to help facilitate trades in the UK. My plan is to ship him two. Would it be a crime for me to cut and make a cross section of one?
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Yea go for it.............THEN LOCK UP THE HACKSAW BEFORE YOU START CUTTING ANY MORE THINGS UP (speaking from experience).
Dave.