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20MM sabot with cube
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That's what's so great about this hobby, always something new to learn & none of us know it all.
Dave.
TonyE
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As promised, here are some pictures of smaller calibre simulation fragments.
First are a couple of .303s with a normal bullet for scale. Not the very small "driving band" on the smaller fragment and the chamfered edges.
The other is a .30 calibre in a sabot fired from a .50BMG case.
All are British.
Regards
TonyE
First are a couple of .303s with a normal bullet for scale. Not the very small "driving band" on the smaller fragment and the chamfered edges.
The other is a .30 calibre in a sabot fired from a .50BMG case.
All are British.
Regards
TonyE
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Sorry I don't know the answer to that one.Dave.
V40
Well-Known Member
Guys,
that is one interesting collection you all have there. I have never seen anything like that before and didn't even know they had such rounds?
With something similar, my Dad worked at Goodyear Aerospace for many many years. In the big hangar they had a "Chicken" Cannon. It is just what the name suggests and was set up sort of like you see on TV sometimes on such shows as "Modern Marvels" and especially the Weather Channel during Hurricane season when they fire 2x4s into walls in order to see what will penetrate various materials of what you would find on an outer wall of a home down south. But they (Goodyear Aerospace) used dead chickens and ducks and shot them at the forward wind screen of jet fighters and some commercial airliners, all of which used different materials and at different take-off and landing speeds. Here in the US we used glass with I believe were poly carbonates? I am not sure because this was going on around 1969-1970(?). Back even to WWI they was a problem with bird strikes killing pilots in the cockpits. This was especially bad for the Navy with Gulls. They had it real bad even with the more modern fighters and Attack airplanes such as the F-8s, A-6s, A-4s in Vietnam where it was not unheard off for these pilots to get killed at low altitudes at a fast rate on the deck. Same went for the other services, especially the Air Force and their Century Series Fighters along with the Helicopters that the Army, Navy, Air Force, and Marines flew.
There are a number of private pilots and small jets such as the Saberliners, Lears, Hawkers, and the list goes on that had problems too. An aquaitenanace of mine was killed while flying a Cessna 180RG when a duck went through the propeller before it hit him in the chest and killing him instantly. Autopsy showed that he died from massive crush wounds to the neck and chest. The plane made it back to an alternative site with a Mayday call for help from the co-pilot who was hurt all over his left side and a loosing blood when another plane answered and helped him land the plane by being his eyes. The co-pilot was in the hospital for over a month with allot of broken bones and lacerations to his face, hands, and his left foot.
I was able to witness a test one day when I was young to witness this test they did with a duck hitting the front wind screen of an F-4D Phantom II at a speed well in excess of 200+ mph. Because for some reason the Phantoms and F-105s were having the same problems with pilots flying hard, fast, and down on the deck and getting bird strikes through the wind screen either wounding the pilots or killing them. With this device they had the capability to go up to Mach 2+ using an object of similar weight and size as a duck and a chicken (Both of these birds were also used for foreign strikes to the engine intakes at the various engine manufacturing facilities such as Pratt & Whitney, GE, and others around the country.) for front strikes through the wind screen. On this particular occassion the object went right through the wind screen and broke the ejection seat head rest in two. Speed of object was approximately 380mph I believe is what he had told me at that time and it was loud when it hit. I think he told me something about using some sort of Lexan or Plexiglass which now sound familiar to me as a way to help counter this back then and using it in layers or something? Now days they can withstand 23mm impacts from ZSUs.
Sorry guys for hijacking your threads. I just thought this would be inline with what you were all talking about in regards to those neat rounds.
that is one interesting collection you all have there. I have never seen anything like that before and didn't even know they had such rounds?
With something similar, my Dad worked at Goodyear Aerospace for many many years. In the big hangar they had a "Chicken" Cannon. It is just what the name suggests and was set up sort of like you see on TV sometimes on such shows as "Modern Marvels" and especially the Weather Channel during Hurricane season when they fire 2x4s into walls in order to see what will penetrate various materials of what you would find on an outer wall of a home down south. But they (Goodyear Aerospace) used dead chickens and ducks and shot them at the forward wind screen of jet fighters and some commercial airliners, all of which used different materials and at different take-off and landing speeds. Here in the US we used glass with I believe were poly carbonates? I am not sure because this was going on around 1969-1970(?). Back even to WWI they was a problem with bird strikes killing pilots in the cockpits. This was especially bad for the Navy with Gulls. They had it real bad even with the more modern fighters and Attack airplanes such as the F-8s, A-6s, A-4s in Vietnam where it was not unheard off for these pilots to get killed at low altitudes at a fast rate on the deck. Same went for the other services, especially the Air Force and their Century Series Fighters along with the Helicopters that the Army, Navy, Air Force, and Marines flew.
There are a number of private pilots and small jets such as the Saberliners, Lears, Hawkers, and the list goes on that had problems too. An aquaitenanace of mine was killed while flying a Cessna 180RG when a duck went through the propeller before it hit him in the chest and killing him instantly. Autopsy showed that he died from massive crush wounds to the neck and chest. The plane made it back to an alternative site with a Mayday call for help from the co-pilot who was hurt all over his left side and a loosing blood when another plane answered and helped him land the plane by being his eyes. The co-pilot was in the hospital for over a month with allot of broken bones and lacerations to his face, hands, and his left foot.
I was able to witness a test one day when I was young to witness this test they did with a duck hitting the front wind screen of an F-4D Phantom II at a speed well in excess of 200+ mph. Because for some reason the Phantoms and F-105s were having the same problems with pilots flying hard, fast, and down on the deck and getting bird strikes through the wind screen either wounding the pilots or killing them. With this device they had the capability to go up to Mach 2+ using an object of similar weight and size as a duck and a chicken (Both of these birds were also used for foreign strikes to the engine intakes at the various engine manufacturing facilities such as Pratt & Whitney, GE, and others around the country.) for front strikes through the wind screen. On this particular occassion the object went right through the wind screen and broke the ejection seat head rest in two. Speed of object was approximately 380mph I believe is what he had told me at that time and it was loud when it hit. I think he told me something about using some sort of Lexan or Plexiglass which now sound familiar to me as a way to help counter this back then and using it in layers or something? Now days they can withstand 23mm impacts from ZSUs.
Sorry guys for hijacking your threads. I just thought this would be inline with what you were all talking about in regards to those neat rounds.
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