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30-mm M93 HEI/HEAT
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The Serbian ones are made by Sloboda in Chachak.
They make a HE-Frag M93P1 (outside grooved body - no internal shrapnel sleeve like in Soviet designs, painted olive drab), an all inert TP M93 (painted white) and a TP M93P1 with a spotting charge as it seems (painted blue - one source is designating it as M93).
The HE-Frag propellantcase has an unusual design as it has an inserted base containing the primer. The propellant is also loaded from the back and the case is then closed by the separate base while the case has a some sort of diaphragm inside which has a number of small holes drilled to create a high-low pressure system.
Oddly the practice versions do not and use the Soviet case design (saying Soviet I mean the VOG-17 and VOG-17M series as the VOG-30 has alos a modified case whcih is again a different one).
They make a HE-Frag M93P1 (outside grooved body - no internal shrapnel sleeve like in Soviet designs, painted olive drab), an all inert TP M93 (painted white) and a TP M93P1 with a spotting charge as it seems (painted blue - one source is designating it as M93).
The HE-Frag propellantcase has an unusual design as it has an inserted base containing the primer. The propellant is also loaded from the back and the case is then closed by the separate base while the case has a some sort of diaphragm inside which has a number of small holes drilled to create a high-low pressure system.
Oddly the practice versions do not and use the Soviet case design (saying Soviet I mean the VOG-17 and VOG-17M series as the VOG-30 has alos a modified case whcih is again a different one).
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Hello Lans,
Here what I was able to find on Jane's web site. Hope this will help.
30 29 B VOG-17 series grenades
Development
Soviet/Russian ordnance developed these grenade rounds for military requirements and for export. The grenades are also manufactured in Bulgaria by Arcus and Arsenal, as well as in Serbia and China. This range of ammunition was originally designed for the AGS-17 automatic grenade launcher that entered Soviet service in 1971. It has subsequently been fitted on the AG-17A variant for helicopter and gunpod use and also the lighter AGS-30 grenade launcher. Various shoulder-stocked launchers have also been developed to fire it (normally from a bipod), including the Russian semi-automatic TKB-0249 Arbalet, the Slovakian automatic RAG-30 and the Ukrainian automatic Valar. Another shoulder-fired weapon, designated
M26A2, has been made in some numbers and used by insurgents in Central America. Its origins are uncertain but Cuba has been suggested. This is a lightweight, manually-loaded gun and uses a reduced-power version of the ammunition.
In 2012 it was reported that KBP had introduced an updated grenade launcher, the AGS-30M. This is stated to fire extended-range GPD-30M ammunition, which has an increased muzzle velocity of 220 m/s and a range of 2,200 m. This seems odd, in that the claimed range is only 100 m more than the standard velocity GPD-30 described below, IHS Jane's Ammunition Handbook awaits further information for clarification.
Description
The VOG-17 family of ammunition consists of several different types. They are all generally similar in having a short, straight-sided, belted, steel cartridge case, with a long projectile that is cylindrical except for the nose cap. In addition to the ones listed below, the development of a thermobaric round has been reported but not confirmed.
VOG-17 HE (79P): this was the original HE round for the AGS-17. It consists of a light steel cylinder with a copper rotating band and an internal pre-engraved wire fragmentation sleeve. It uses a VMG impact nose fuze without any self-destruct capabilities. The lethal radius is 6-7 m. It has now been replaced by later rounds.
VOG-17M HE-SD (7P9M): this is virtually identical to the VOG-17 but has a VMG-M impact fuze with a self-destruct mechanism which operates 28 to 36 seconds after firing. The fuze is bore safe and does not arm until it has travelled several metres beyond the muzzle of the launcher.
VOG-17A HE: this apparently emerged after the VOG-17M and is identical except for reverting to a non-SD impact fuze, in this case the VMG-A.
VOG-17 HEAT: the existence of a shaped-charge version of the grenade has been reported, but details are not yet known.
VOG-30 HE-SD (7P36): this is the first significant modification to affect the grenade body rather than the fuze. Instead of a separate wire fragmentation sleeve, it has a pre-fragmented steel body using a special pattern of pressed cuts on the inner side of the body. This releases more internal volume, allowing the HE content to be increased to 40 g. It is fitted with the same VMG-M self-destruct impact nose fuze as the VOG-17M.
GPD-30 HE (7P36D): this recent variant adopts a different shape for the nose fuze cap, as instead of a truncated cone, the ogive has a slight curve. This reduces aerodynamic drag sufficiently to extend the claimed maximum range from 1,700 to 2,100 m, without any increase in muzzle velocity or recoil and with a reduced muzzle flash. It also has a higher HE capacity at 46 g, sufficient to provide a lethal area against unprotected personnel of 130 m2.
VUS-17 Smoke: this was developed together with the VOG-17M. The thick-walled steel body is filled with 24 g of a composition which produces a red-coloured smoke, emitted through two holes in the side of the projectile body. The fuze is the standard VMG-M. The grenade is identified by a red stripe on the side.
7P36U and 7P36DU training smoke: these are training rounds for the 7P36 (VOG-30) and 7P36D (GPD-30) respectively. They match the ballistics of their respective HE grenades and emit smoke on impact.
TP: this is an empty grenade body with the wall thickness adjusted to match the weight of a loaded round and an aluminium dummy fuze plug. It is identified by the stamping in white on the body (Cyrillic for KhOLOST).
VOG-26 HE: this is the reported designation for the reduced-power grenade round used in the M26A2 launcher described in the Development section. Unlike the VOG-17 series, this uses a hi-low pressure system to reduce pressure and recoil and is therefore not compatible with any other weapon. The grenade is standard, with a VMG-M fuze, and is identified by a green band painted around the fuze.
Armament
AGS-17, AG-17A and AGS-30 automatic grenade launchers; other weapons as listed in the text.
Specifications
Type: 30 29 B
Round length: 130 mm
Round weight: 350 g
Projectile weight: 280 g
Weight of filling:
VOG-17/17A/17M: 32-34 g (A-IX-1)
VOG-30: 40 g
GPD-30: 46 g
Muzzle velocity: 185 m/s
Arming distance: 10-60 m
Max range:
VOG-17/17A/17M: 1700 m
GPD-30: 2100 m
Chamber pressure: 117.8 MPa
Status
In current use and in production.
Contractor
Soviet and Russian Federation arsenals.
Equivalent rounds
Bulgaria
Contractor
Arcus Co .
IO-30 (self-destruct HE fragmentation) and IO-30TP (inert-filled target practice) rounds are produced.
Contractor
Arsenal 2000 JSCo .
RHV-HEF (self-destruct HE fragmentation) and RHV-TP (inert-filled target practice) rounds are produced.
Serbia
Contractor
Kompanija Sloboda AD
Again... hope this will help.
Regards.
Luc.
Here what I was able to find on Jane's web site. Hope this will help.
30 29 B VOG-17 series grenades
Development
Soviet/Russian ordnance developed these grenade rounds for military requirements and for export. The grenades are also manufactured in Bulgaria by Arcus and Arsenal, as well as in Serbia and China. This range of ammunition was originally designed for the AGS-17 automatic grenade launcher that entered Soviet service in 1971. It has subsequently been fitted on the AG-17A variant for helicopter and gunpod use and also the lighter AGS-30 grenade launcher. Various shoulder-stocked launchers have also been developed to fire it (normally from a bipod), including the Russian semi-automatic TKB-0249 Arbalet, the Slovakian automatic RAG-30 and the Ukrainian automatic Valar. Another shoulder-fired weapon, designated
M26A2, has been made in some numbers and used by insurgents in Central America. Its origins are uncertain but Cuba has been suggested. This is a lightweight, manually-loaded gun and uses a reduced-power version of the ammunition.
In 2012 it was reported that KBP had introduced an updated grenade launcher, the AGS-30M. This is stated to fire extended-range GPD-30M ammunition, which has an increased muzzle velocity of 220 m/s and a range of 2,200 m. This seems odd, in that the claimed range is only 100 m more than the standard velocity GPD-30 described below, IHS Jane's Ammunition Handbook awaits further information for clarification.
Description
The VOG-17 family of ammunition consists of several different types. They are all generally similar in having a short, straight-sided, belted, steel cartridge case, with a long projectile that is cylindrical except for the nose cap. In addition to the ones listed below, the development of a thermobaric round has been reported but not confirmed.
VOG-17 HE (79P): this was the original HE round for the AGS-17. It consists of a light steel cylinder with a copper rotating band and an internal pre-engraved wire fragmentation sleeve. It uses a VMG impact nose fuze without any self-destruct capabilities. The lethal radius is 6-7 m. It has now been replaced by later rounds.
VOG-17M HE-SD (7P9M): this is virtually identical to the VOG-17 but has a VMG-M impact fuze with a self-destruct mechanism which operates 28 to 36 seconds after firing. The fuze is bore safe and does not arm until it has travelled several metres beyond the muzzle of the launcher.
VOG-17A HE: this apparently emerged after the VOG-17M and is identical except for reverting to a non-SD impact fuze, in this case the VMG-A.
VOG-17 HEAT: the existence of a shaped-charge version of the grenade has been reported, but details are not yet known.
VOG-30 HE-SD (7P36): this is the first significant modification to affect the grenade body rather than the fuze. Instead of a separate wire fragmentation sleeve, it has a pre-fragmented steel body using a special pattern of pressed cuts on the inner side of the body. This releases more internal volume, allowing the HE content to be increased to 40 g. It is fitted with the same VMG-M self-destruct impact nose fuze as the VOG-17M.
GPD-30 HE (7P36D): this recent variant adopts a different shape for the nose fuze cap, as instead of a truncated cone, the ogive has a slight curve. This reduces aerodynamic drag sufficiently to extend the claimed maximum range from 1,700 to 2,100 m, without any increase in muzzle velocity or recoil and with a reduced muzzle flash. It also has a higher HE capacity at 46 g, sufficient to provide a lethal area against unprotected personnel of 130 m2.
VUS-17 Smoke: this was developed together with the VOG-17M. The thick-walled steel body is filled with 24 g of a composition which produces a red-coloured smoke, emitted through two holes in the side of the projectile body. The fuze is the standard VMG-M. The grenade is identified by a red stripe on the side.
7P36U and 7P36DU training smoke: these are training rounds for the 7P36 (VOG-30) and 7P36D (GPD-30) respectively. They match the ballistics of their respective HE grenades and emit smoke on impact.
TP: this is an empty grenade body with the wall thickness adjusted to match the weight of a loaded round and an aluminium dummy fuze plug. It is identified by the stamping in white on the body (Cyrillic for KhOLOST).
VOG-26 HE: this is the reported designation for the reduced-power grenade round used in the M26A2 launcher described in the Development section. Unlike the VOG-17 series, this uses a hi-low pressure system to reduce pressure and recoil and is therefore not compatible with any other weapon. The grenade is standard, with a VMG-M fuze, and is identified by a green band painted around the fuze.
Armament
AGS-17, AG-17A and AGS-30 automatic grenade launchers; other weapons as listed in the text.
Specifications
Type: 30 29 B
Round length: 130 mm
Round weight: 350 g
Projectile weight: 280 g
Weight of filling:
VOG-17/17A/17M: 32-34 g (A-IX-1)
VOG-30: 40 g
GPD-30: 46 g
Muzzle velocity: 185 m/s
Arming distance: 10-60 m
Max range:
VOG-17/17A/17M: 1700 m
GPD-30: 2100 m
Chamber pressure: 117.8 MPa
Status
In current use and in production.
Contractor
Soviet and Russian Federation arsenals.
Equivalent rounds
Bulgaria
Contractor
Arcus Co .
IO-30 (self-destruct HE fragmentation) and IO-30TP (inert-filled target practice) rounds are produced.
Contractor
Arsenal 2000 JSCo .
RHV-HEF (self-destruct HE fragmentation) and RHV-TP (inert-filled target practice) rounds are produced.
Serbia
Contractor
Kompanija Sloboda AD
Again... hope this will help.
Regards.
Luc.
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Add India, Finland (experimental), Slovakia (experimental), Czechoslovakia (dummies only), GDR (dummies only).
Hi all!
I'm actually in Bangui (Central Africa) in EOD team and we've found a VOG 17-like ammunition.
No fuze in the nose (just a cap), no fragmentation inside, and an internal fuze.
Marking on the body is erased.
We think that it's a TP round.
Is someone know what the fuze looks like inside this ammunition or has further information on?
Sorry for my english!
TY.
I'm actually in Bangui (Central Africa) in EOD team and we've found a VOG 17-like ammunition.
No fuze in the nose (just a cap), no fragmentation inside, and an internal fuze.
Marking on the body is erased.
We think that it's a TP round.
Is someone know what the fuze looks like inside this ammunition or has further information on?
Sorry for my english!
TY.
I can only help you with this link:
http://www.bocn.co.uk/vbforum/threa...Russian-30mm-quot-Plamyja-quot-machine-cannon
Regards, DJH
http://www.bocn.co.uk/vbforum/threa...Russian-30mm-quot-Plamyja-quot-machine-cannon
Regards, DJH