47mm Bhler shell

[Mannlicher]

Hello everyone.
Can you help me with the dimensions (especially overall length) of the casing used by the 47mm AT Bhler gun used by the Romanian army in ww2?

And pictures with the same casing/complete shell will be useful too.

Thank you in advance.
M

 

[Hoeksel]

I do know the Italian/Dutch/Austrian lengths:
195 mm / 227 mm / 235 mm

 

[Tmine35]

Finland had a few of these guns in WW2, Italian and Swiss made. Ammo catalogue from 1944 says for Italian case 47x195 R55,7 and for Swiss case 47x184,5 R57.

 

[Hoeksel]

Swiss case, nice! Still did not find one....

 

[Mannlicher]

Thanks guys.
Now i have a problem - it seems it's not a Bohler shell judging by the dimensions you gave me. The shell i have is 342mm long and is not cut It has romanian ww2 markings (Metrom). It is not a Schneider shell (47x380mm). So what could it be?

 

[Tony Williams]

What's the rim diameter?

 

[Hoeksel]

I have that Romanian case too, see thread (http://www.bocn.co.uk/vbforum/threads/79741-Unknown-shell-cases-possibly-from-Romania) but not been able to identify yet.

 

[Mannlicher]

Well, seems the plot thickens... The rim diameter is 65mm. And this is a picture of te markings, freshly washed.


Hopefully someone can shed some light on this.
Here is another older topic on the subject - http://www.worldwar2.ro/forum/index.php?showtopic=6058

 

[Hoeksel]

I found a new headstamp, the length of the case is 227 mm (Dutch length). Anybody recognize the stamp?

EDIT: I just found some information. This case is most likely for the KNIL (Dutch East Indies) where p.a. is short for "pantser afweergeschut" meaning anti-tank.

 

[EOD]

Well, seems the plot thickens... The rim diameter is 65mm. And this is a picture of te markings, freshly washed.

View attachment 58570
Hopefully someone can shed some light on this.
Here is another older topic on the subject - http://www.worldwar2.ro/forum/index.php?showtopic=6058

Mannlicher, thanks a lot for showing!!! Could you tell the case length of that one please?

 

[Hoeksel]

The Romanian case is 343 mm long.

 

[EOD]

Hoeksel, thanks! I just noticed that Mannlicher posted it already.

 

[EOD]

Well, seems the plot thickens... The rim diameter is 65mm. And this is a picture of te markings, freshly washed.

View attachment 58570
Hopefully someone can shed some light on this.
Here is another older topic on the subject - http://www.worldwar2.ro/forum/index.php?showtopic=6058

Again me. Mannlicher, could you confirm please what the logo above the word "METROM" is? Is it "MO" or "MC" inside a circle?

 

[Hoeksel]

I would say MO.

 

[EOD]

I just received a confirmation on "MC".

 

[Hoeksel]

LOL....on my 47 mm case I still think MO, but I checked my 75 and 100 mm case from Romania from Metrom and they clearly show MC.

 

[EOD]

Hoeksel, could you tell the lengths of your 75 and 100mm cases and the years they were made in?

 

[Hoeksel]

The 75 mm is a 75x350 for the French Schneider Mle1897 dated 1943. I once traded another case dated 1944.
The 100 mm is a 100x241R115 dated 1940. I still do not know what gun fits with this case.

 

[EOD]

Thanks for the details! The 100mm might be a Skoda design.

 

[Hoeksel]

I also think it is a Skoda. Romania had a Skoda 10 cm M1934 and a Skoda 10 cm M1939. Does anybody know the case dimensions for the ammunition?