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7.62x51mm NATO Ammunition RG Headstamps

Hi TonyE,
I think we should hold the bus on this one,it arrived yesterday and is NOT a blank as you can see from the photo,I suspect this "round" originated from World Wide Arms from their "sky marshall" 9mm rounds and have heard that these projectiles are put into any fired 9mm case that they have to hand!
Sorry about this mistake:tinysmile_cry_t4:
All the best
Tony
 

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This may be applicable for a new thread (please feel free to move it) -
List below of all 9mm natures listed by MOD at present - sorry its not in numerical order -
9mm ball carton l18a1
9mm ball round R98
9mm ball carton l31a1
9mm frangible l27a1
9mm ball sub-sonic l26a1
Umarex 9mm blank
9mm ball Gevelot
9mm ball FN
9mm ball Dynamit Nobel
9mm ball FFV
9mm ball l7a1 (Hirtenburger – Austria)
9mm ball l12a1 (pistol) (Hirtenburger – Austria)
9mm frangible training – OTEC manufacture
9mm plastic blank carton l2a1
9mm ball short l29a1
9mm marker (blue) l24a1
9mm marker (red) l25a1
9mm ball l28a1
 
9mm

A couple of questions re: your post.

Do you know what "9mm Ball R98" is? Any description?
Do you know who makes the Frangible Ball L27A1 or the Sub-sonic ball L26A1?
Any description/manufacturer for Ball L28A1?
Presumably Ball 9mm Short L29A1 is 9mm Kurz (9 x 17mm or .380 ACP) for the Walther or Sig pistols?

Any details appreciated.

Regards
TonyE
 
TonyE - sorry not too much further info at this time -

If you can interpret Nato stock numbers (NSN) then the following may be of use -

L28a1 has NSN - 1305-50-000-0290

L29a1 has NSN -
1305-99-3371084
L27a1 has NSN -
1305-20-004-6874
L26a1 has NSN -
1305-99-216-9587
In a NSN the second set of digits represents the country of origin - 99 = UK

Will come back with more info if possible.
 
A list here of current 5.56mm listings - again sorry its not in alpha/numeric order -

Cart blank 5.56mm plastic
Cart blank 5.56mm blank L1a1
Cart blank 5.56mm L1a3
Cart blank 5.56mm L1a4
Round 5.56mm ball SS109
Round 5.56mm Training, Mid-Range ROTA
Round 5.56mm Frangible Training
Round 5.56mm x 45mm ball M855
Round Tracer 5.56mm (GIAT)
Round 5.56mm Tracer L13a1
Cart blank 5.56mm L1a2
Cart Ballistite 5.56mm L1a1
Round 5.56mm ball L15a1
Round 5.56mm tracer L1a2
Round 5.56mm ball L2a2
Round 5.56mm AP L23a1
Round 5.56mm ball L17a2
Round 5.56mm tracer L16a1
Round 5.56mm marker (Red) L19a1 (simunition)
Round 5.56mm marker (Blue) L20a1 (simunition)
Round 5.56mm RRLP L24a1
Round 5.56mm marker (Red) L29a1
Round 5.56mm marker (Blue) L28a1
Round 5.56mm CQT L25a1
 
exat808 said:
TonyE - sorry not too much further info at this time -

If you can interpret Nato stock numbers (NSN) then the following may be of use -

L28a1 has NSN - 1305-50-000-0290 (Bulgaria)

L29a1 has NSN -
1305-99-3371084
L27a1 has NSN -
1305-20-004-6874 (Canada)
L26a1 has NSN -
1305-99-216-9587
In a NSN the second set of digits represents the country of origin - 99 = UK

Will come back with more info if possible.
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I'm an ex RAOC Sup Con :D
 
TonyE said:
A couple of questions re: your post.

Do you know what "9mm Ball R98" is? Any description?

The R98 is listed as a Royal Ordnance Radway Green item - it may be a trials/demo variant. I cant find any reference to it being assigned an "E" designation for experimental. There are references to packaging types - M2A1 or H83
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5.56 Rounds

Thanks for this list exat808; can you tell me what "RRLP" stands for, please? And is "CQT" "Close Quarter Training"?
I see there is a "Blank L1A1" but also "Cartridge Ballistite L1A1". Is this a grenade blank? Didn't know we had an AP round in this calibre; is it British made, or imported? And if so, who is it made by, please?
If anyone has spares of these, and also the Marker rounds and Tracers, I can give them a good home!
Roger.
 
Hi,
The RRLP is Reduced Range Limited Penetration - it is listed apparently with the standard 62gr bullet
The CQT is Close Quarter Training.
Strange to see 2 listings for L1A1 blank - but you are right the ballistite version is for rifle grenade dischargers.
The AP round - cant shed much more light on this - maybe a buy in of US M995 AP rounds - NSN is 1305 01 393 7050 perhaps LcplCombat can unravel the NSN - is 01 USA?
 
CODE COUNTRY
00=United States
01=United States
11=NATO Standard Items
12=Germany
13=Belgium
14=France
15=Italy
16=Czech Republic
17=Netherlands
18=South Africa
19=Brazil
20=Canada
21=Canada
22=Denmark
23=Greece
24=Iceland
25=Norway
26=Portugal
27=Turkey
28=Luxembourg
29=Argentina
30=Japan
31=Israel
32=Singapore
33=Spain
34=Malaysia
35=Thailand
36=Egypt
37=Korea, Republic of
38=Estonia
39=Romania
40=Slovakia
41=Austria
42=Slovenia
43=Poland
44=United Nations
45=Indonesia
46=Philippines
47=Lithuania
48=Fiji
49=Tonga
50=Bulgaria
51=Hungary
52=Chile
53=Croatia
54=Macedonia, The Former Yugoslav Rep. of
55=Latvia
56=Oman
57=Russia
58=Finland
59=Albania
60=Kuwait
61=Ukraine
66=Australia
70=Saudi Arabia
71=United Arab Emirates
98=New Zealand
99=United Kingdom
 
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Got some listings for 7.62mm used by UK MOD - usual apologies for not being in order -
Cart Rifle gren Disch L1a2
Rd 7.62mm Ball M693 Portugese
Rd 7.62mm Ball Training Short Range L14a1
Rd 7.62mm AP P80
Rd 7.62mm Ball 155gr Competition
Rd 7.62mm Ball AP Sniper 9
Rd 7.62mm Ball L42a1
Rd 7.62mm Ball L40a1
Rd 7.62mm Tcr L5a2
cart blank 7.62mm L13a4
Rd 7.62mm ball L40a2
Rd 7.62mm Ball Competition L42a2
Rd 7.62mm Ball L2a5
Rd 7.62mm AP L50a1
Rd 7.62mm Super Sub-Sonic L51a1
Rd 7.62mm Sniper L52a1
Rd 7.62mm Sniper L42a3
Rd 7.62mm Ball L44a1
Rd 7.62mm Ball L46a1
Rd 7.62mm Tcr L47a1
Rd 7.62mm Ball HP L40a1
Rd 7.62mm Sniper L42a1

Apologies for any duplication - its late - there may be more - these are the current listings
 
RG Blank

I have seen these blanks but do not have one. I believe they were a contract specifically for Australia.

I will take the very useful information on the new L numbers for 7.62mm and 5.56mm posted by exat808 and update my list and re-post it.

Regards
TonyE
 
"L" Numbers

Thanks for your reply exat808, but now some more questions, this time about your 7.62mm list!
1. What is Ball AP Sniper 9 ?
2. You have Ball L42A1, and Sniper L42A1. Surely these are both the same round with the 155 grains bullet?
3. You have Ball L40A1, and Ball High Performance L40A1. Both the same ??
4. Can you tell us anything more about Ball L2A5, please?
5. Ditto AP L50A1, Super Sub-sonic L51A1, and Sniper L52A1.
6. Do all these "L" numbers appear in the headstamps? (This question also applies to the 9mm & 5.56mm rounds)
Some really interesting sounding rounds, which I shall have to keep my eyes open for!
Roger.
 
The list in my post is extracted from a current ( unclassified) database from the MOD's classification authority. Some but not all entries have Nato Stock Numbers that may assist in ID. It may be assumed that if there is an entry on the database then the listed item has been in MOD possession at some time.
I will do some more digging for you and respond asap.
 
7.62x51mm TRACER: RG 08 (+) L45A1

TonyE said:
Recent additions to the list are:
Ball
L44A1 RG
L45A1 RG
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Hi TonyE,

I just acquired a number of belted GPMG 1:1 BALL TRACER rounds with H/S BALL: RG 08 (+) L44A1
TRACER: RG 08 (+) L45A1

I think this shows RG L45A1 to be TRACER and NOT BALL as previously suggested.

Cheers
Andy
 
MOD still list a 1B/1T linked belt as L44A1(Ball) with L45A1(Tracer). It also appears in the 4B/1T combination.
 
I have a 7.62x51 RG 84 FMJ

EagleEyes said:
Im currently looking for RG rounds from years 70, 72, 73, 81, 83, 84, 86 - 89, 96, 97, 00 - 02 & 09.
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Cheers
Andy
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I have a 7.62x51 RG 84 FMJ, looks like a live round, maybe a dud. The primer looks to have a very light hit.

Moe
 
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