8.8cm German U Boat Deck gun rounds?

[hicky1300]

Hi All
Picked up two complete rounds today & need a bit of help.
Unfortunately unable to upload pics at present due to tech issues!!
Both have case lengths of 388mm & projectile diameters of 88mm
Headstamp on one is III at 12 with a circle with a dot in it next to this. VII at 9. 1902 at 3. 148 (lot no?) at 6. The giveaway for naval to me is an M with a crown above.
Primer marked C/12 (1912?)
Projectile has single wide copper band. It is stamped: 1134 (lot no?) with M & crown next to it. Kr. below. Then VII 05 (MK & 1905?) below. Then 148 & 13 below. Several other fancy stamps I cannot make out.
Fuze is brass marked Dopp Z C/04 (1904?) with M & crown agian.
The other has a more interesting headstamp & I think it has been reloaded?
Around the primer is VII at 9. 97 (1897?) at 3. 24 at 6.
Around the upper edge ( 12 to 3) is III. a circle with a dot in then X another circle with dot then 17. then a circle with a line through (like diameter symbol on tech drawing) then 18 then another circle with dot then X Reloaded in 1917 & 18?
Primer has 1,3 on it.
Projectile looks like a gas or shrapnel one? Steel with 3713 below fuze. Kr. below & III 17 below (MKIII 1917?) has copper stepped (3) band. Cannot find an M etc.
Fuze is aluminium & stamped Lg. Zdr S/12 with M & crown with 14 below then anoth M & crown with 16 below the M.
Cheers

 

[thekees]

Looks like you find two rare 8,8 cm Deckgun rounds for the L/35 gun. Kr is Krupp the manufacturer of the round. III 17 is the KM way for dating, 3th month of 1917. 3713 will be the serial/batchnumber. the circle and dot, sometimes with a year is to mark it as reloaded.

Lg. zdr stands for leucht zunder, a fuse for the light(star) shell. S/12 stands for 12 seconds delay maximum after firing the shell.
the other fuse dpl Z C/04 is time/percussion, model 1904. Have to dig further for more info. Do you have lengths of the projectiles? or pictures?

 

[thekees]

Found a bit about the fusae overhere on the forum: http://www.bocn.co.uk/vbforum/threads/17742-C-04

 

[hicky1300]

Thanks for that thekees.
Hope to post pics later.
Shape of second projectile makes sense now!!
Must have burnt for ages as it is a lot bigger than the HE one

 

[Burney Davis]

Hi All

Fuze is aluminium & stamped Lg. Zdr S/12 with M & crown with 14 below then anoth M & crown with 16 below the M.

Cheers

Hicky, are you sure that the fuze designation is not S/22 rather than S/12? As Kees has said, it is for the star shell and I don't believe there is a 12 second fuze.


BR

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[hicky1300]

Sorry still having tech issues with this piece of HP shite!!First shell I described is on the left second on right. Last pic is the Illum projectile?
Thanks to thekees for help. apparently these rounds were not just on U Boats but the L/35 was land & surface vessel based as well.I have pics of headstamps etc but as having tech issues I am losing the will to live!!!

 

[thekees]

Very nice rounds. Does anyone know the small round type? looks like an 8,8 L2.8.

 

[hicky1300]

BD I will check fuze again - but sure I had it right first time
These are not normally my thing but had a bit of knowledge with a gut feeling about them!
Unfortunately the fuze on the illum one is a bit corroded with a piece missingvand being ally in steel it will never come out without damaging it.
Not a lot of online info about this caliber/gun & must look into Kees L2.8 thing

 

[Burney Davis]

Hicky, the shorter shell is a 8.8cm Schr L/2.7 Shrapnel projectile and should measure 23.77cm top to bottom. It's a one of the less common of the 8.8cm naval shells.

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[hicky1300]

Thanks BD
I have not been able to remove proj from case - & I think I will leave it so!?
Thought it would be HE - being so short so intriugued it is Shrapnel.
Will do a bit of homework

 

[Burney Davis]

Sorry for the quality of the picture document, it's the best I have at the moment.

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[thekees]

Should be this one, the 8,8 L/2.8 had a haube and an internal nose fuse.
one mystery less.

 

[silent knight]

What was the colour of the 8,8 cm Schr. L/2,7 ?

 

[hicky1300]

Afraid I have no idea silent knight - if you find out let me know as I may paint it!

 

[William49]

Hi hicky, maybe this helps or is it to late?
Regards William