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88 shell
- Thread starter Andysarmoury
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https://www.milcorem.fr/pochoirs-et-décalcomanies/ they do a stencil for the case as well.
I normally use axholmesigns.co.uk as they will make you anything you want, so just wanted the correct letters
greif
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Your drawing is from the 8,8 cm Flak 41 manual.
The shell shown by Andysarmoury is the HE shell for the 8,8 cm Kwk 43, so it should be the drawing below.
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greif
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You're welcome. Your fuze being a AZ 23/28 (Pr) should be painted in the standard green color of German ammo (matching RAL 6006). These KwK 43 HE shell bodies can be encountered in green or yellow paint.
Back in the days when I was collecting German ammo I made a scheme of the lettering on the basis of a recovered HE shell for restoration purposes, which might help you.
Below some images of shells from my former collection.
Back in the days when I was collecting German ammo I made a scheme of the lettering on the basis of a recovered HE shell for restoration purposes, which might help you.
Below some images of shells from my former collection.
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That is brilliant greif and many thanks for taken the time to post this, I will get the stencil ordered.
Cheers
Andy
wingsofwrath
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That shell is also used with the Flak 41, so the yellow coloration is also correct.
Here are two pages from a Soviet manual on captured ammunition:
And the relevant pages from the FLAK 41 manual:
Personally, I've always preferred to look at original examples rather than the manual for my markings, because the manual is always an "idealized" version.
Unfortunately, unlike Grief, I don't have pictures of the Flak 41 Sp.gr., so here are these nice examples of the Sp.Gr.Kurz for the Flak 18/36/37 that also give a good impression of the fonts and styles used:
Finally, one more thing - on German shells, the part below the rotating bands that sits inside the cartridge case is always painted for sealing purposes with "Asphaltlack", a type of bitumen-based varnish. The best replacement I've found for it is "Bruno per oro" by an Italian firm called "Maimeri", a product designed to give patina to gold leaf.
Here are two pages from a Soviet manual on captured ammunition:
And the relevant pages from the FLAK 41 manual:
Personally, I've always preferred to look at original examples rather than the manual for my markings, because the manual is always an "idealized" version.
Unfortunately, unlike Grief, I don't have pictures of the Flak 41 Sp.gr., so here are these nice examples of the Sp.Gr.Kurz for the Flak 18/36/37 that also give a good impression of the fonts and styles used:
Finally, one more thing - on German shells, the part below the rotating bands that sits inside the cartridge case is always painted for sealing purposes with "Asphaltlack", a type of bitumen-based varnish. The best replacement I've found for it is "Bruno per oro" by an Italian firm called "Maimeri", a product designed to give patina to gold leaf.
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The projectiel with the wide drivingbands is used on the KwK 43 shellcase only.
The projectile with the narrow drivingbands and the boat tail is used on the flak 41 shellcase and can be used on the Kwk43 shellcase as well. In fact, the Kwk 43 uses the narrow drivingband type shell for the first 500 shots and than changes to wide drivingbands to avoid pressure loss due to barrel wear.
The projectile depicted in #1 is a Kwk43 projectile for shure and cannot be used on a Flak 41 shellcase.
Regards, DJH
The projectile with the narrow drivingbands and the boat tail is used on the flak 41 shellcase and can be used on the Kwk43 shellcase as well. In fact, the Kwk 43 uses the narrow drivingband type shell for the first 500 shots and than changes to wide drivingbands to avoid pressure loss due to barrel wear.
The projectile depicted in #1 is a Kwk43 projectile for shure and cannot be used on a Flak 41 shellcase.
Regards, DJH
Did anyone buy any 88s from Ben stall at the W&P show a few years back that were Finish referbs, they had shrapnel groves cut into them in post war times, these also had the waffen markings and were painted yellow. Same with the cases all waffen marked and originals but referbed.
peregrinvs
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I didn’t buy one but I remember seeing them. IIRC they were £100 for a complete round and I wish I’d bought one. I didn’t know the frag grooves were a postwar addition
greif
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The fragm grooves weren’t a postwar addition, the shells were produced by the Germans that way. Also Flak 41 shells can be found with fragm grooves. See also note 1 on this US WW2 ord intell leaflet.
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