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8cm Nebel

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racefiets

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Hello, is there a reason why the germans used black paint for the markings on this 8cm mortar round? Usualy the paintcolour is white on these nebel rounds. Did they ran out of white paint or has it an other meaning?
(used a pic from the internet for pic no 2)
 

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maybe you have one that was marked up later by someone with black paint?
Have you another Neb to compare it with so you can be sure?

The letters indicate 'smoke' I think.
18pounder.

There is some fantastic images on www.germanmilitaria.co.uk
look in the inert ammo section
 
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18pounder said:
maybe you have one that was marked up later by someone with black paint?
Have you another Neb to compare it with so you can be sure?

The letters indicate 'smoke' I think.
18pounder.

There is some fantastic images on www.germanmilitaria.co.uk
look in the inert ammo section
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I've had that one in my hands, and i'm 100% sure it was not marked up later.
Letters indicate smoke indeed.
 
2 more pictures from a differt mortar from the same location. Also with the black paint.
 

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Hi RF.

see pic.

as you can see in the yellow rectangle under the red paint
the III in black is visible very vague als 1 layer.
in the yellow circles you can see old piantstains under the new one.
i assume this body was perhaps HE and is in wartime refinished to NB.

 
I think that would not be it bloome. Do'nt you think it is strange that a HE became a NB?
That would not be very logical.
 
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The grenades are from 1940. Don't you think it is strange that they reloaded them as Nebel so early in the war.
I do think it is strange that there is a faint III mark visible. The old paintstains look more like blisters in the paint caused by corrosion.
 
The faded Roman III is a weight class marking, it was used on both HE and smoke grenades.
 
Tmine35 said:
The faded Roman III is a weight class marking, it was used on both HE and smoke grenades.
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Yes indeed, but i thought the smoke mortars normal had a weight class of IV.





Is it possible to get better photos from all around the mortar?
 
racefiets said:
The grenades are from 1940. Don't you think it is strange that they reloaded them as Nebel so early in the war.
I do think it is strange that there is a faint III mark visible. The old paintstains look more like blisters in the paint caused by corrosion.
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Blisters are there, but in the cirlcles its old paint, take a close look!
blisters are round shapend and these in the circles are not.
i really think its wartime refinished, but why and wat is a question.
The faint III stane is also on NB types and this one tells the story that its a new layer for sure.
(wartime done)
 
I will ask for better pictures.

If the refinishing was done then the datestamp on the mortar should be different. I will ask for stamps in the mortar round. (it is not mine)
 
Maarten said:
Yes indeed, but i thought the smoke mortars normal had a weight class of IV.
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Weight class varies, wall thickness of cast iron shells is not easy to have the same all the time. III and IV are the most typical that I have seen on any ordnance shells, a few times I have seen II but never I ( so far ).
 
Tmine35 said:
Weight class varies, wall thickness of cast iron shells is not easy to have the same all the time. III and IV are the most typical that I have seen on any ordnance shells, a few times I have seen II but never I ( so far ).
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Ah oke, that's the difference in weight class, I thought it had to do with the weight of the filling.
 
racefiets said:
The grenades are from 1940. Don't you think it is strange that they reloaded them as Nebel so early in the war.
I do think it is strange that there is a faint III mark visible. The old paintstains look more like blisters in the paint caused by corrosion.
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Mabye not reloaded but for sure refinished.
the Faint III is UNDER the new paint in MY point a vieuw.
and i realy see diff in the blister (as you think) in the circles as overal
on the body.

Germans did rare things at the time.:xd:
ps also the colour is diff from the normal red!
its more darker for sure.
 
bloome said:
Mabye not reloaded but for sure refinished.
the Faint III is UNDER the new paint in MY point a vieuw.
and i realy see diff in the blister (as you think) in the circles as overal
on the body.

Germans did rare things at the time.:xd:
ps also the colour is diff from the normal red!
its more darker for sure.
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The paint is different indeed.
But i don't get it, why sould it be repainted?
 
Maarten said:
Ah oke, that's the difference in weight class, I thought it had to do with the weight of the filling.
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Weight class refers to total weight of the shell ( body + filling ). It is needed to choose suitable extra launching charges and elevation angle for required shooting distance from manuals/tables.
 
Something to notice?

The weight class marking schould be 90 degrees rotated towarts the
Fillingstamp.

In the pis this seems not to be.
 
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