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This has been posted on another Forum of which I am a member and with the authors permission I post it here. I felt members of bocn ought to be aware as sometimes items of ordnance/ordnance related appear on the ebay listings.
What worries me perhaps more is the fact than our national heritage is damaged by such things, items could easily find there way into museums and end up there for posterity.
All I will say is collectors beware.......
this was written by AndyB - member of broadsword forum.
I have decided to put this letter up due to the recent events that happened to me and the continuous fraudulent sales from this dealer , I will also post this on other forums to let other collectors know.
Following a recent out of Court settlement which I received from a well-known Lincolnshire Military Trader I felt it important to warn collectors of military and wartime antiques and memorabilia of how easy it is into being be duped into purchasing items which are not what they are purported to be.
Due to the final agreement made between myself and Military Trader UK , not including a confidentiality clause, I am now at liberty to make other collectors aware of my experience which I feel is important in order to prevent the same thing happening to them.
Military Trader UK is run by Mr Tony Flitter and Nigel Flitter trading from Unit 10 Tattershall Park, Tattershall Way, Fairfield Industrial Estate, Louth, Lincolnshire, LN11 0YZ with their website address of militarytrder.co.uk and Ebay user name of militarytrader-uk, amongst others. In summary in April 2014 I wrote to Military Trader as it had come to my attention that items purchased from them were not what they had made them out to be. Over the previous two years I had purchased from Military Trader (UK), various Dambuster related items which were as follows:
Guy Gibsons Cap
Buckleys Cap
Gibsons Tankard
RAF Strata Scope
Scampton Microphone
Goodales Cap
Gibsons Escape Axe
Gibsons Mag Glass
RAF 617 Bomb Counter
RAF 617 Signalling Lamp
RAF Scampton Phone
RAF 617 Headphones
Flying Boots Ivan Whittaker
RAF Veteran Tie
Buckleys Bible
RAF Visibility Meter
RAF Playing Cards
Numerous Pieces of Wreckage & Artifacts
AM Visibility Meter
RAF Flag
H S Hobdays Tunic
Guy Gibsons Pilot Book
These items were all attributed by Military Trader to 617 Squadron and their personnel and at a cost of over 13,000
Following the last item purchased I discovered that there was immense doubt that items in question are not what they were described to be.
The Sales of Goods Act 1979 makes it an implied term of the contract that the goods be as described. Items that required expert verification or authentication to determine whether they were authentic or not were dealt with in the appropriate manner and an expert witness was found whose extensive report, had this case gone to Court, would have confirmed that these items had been misdescribed and misrepresented. In relation to these aforementioned items false verbal reassurances were given directly to me by Military Trader, they described the items as something they were not, in many cases this was supported by written evidence in the form of labels, signatures and other writing.
The signatures, writing and labels had all been studied by an independent writing expert ( calligrapher ) whom I engaged to help me confirm that the handwriting and typed labels all came from the same source. It was confirmed that all of the writing is of the same hand. The consistency of this handwriting then led to the fact that the writing and signatures which Military Trader purported to be original were from one source only, that being Military Trader. Therefore these written pieces and signatures which they claim corroborated and verified their items were false and could not be attributed to the persons or establishment as Military Trader claimed. Furthermore the professional examination of handwriting also extended to the Gibsons Pilots book which had also been confirmed as containing writing by the same hand and therefore could not possibly have belonged to Gibson.
Consequently, with reliance on written evidence, I was able to prove beyond reasonable doubt that items sold by Military Trader to me were in fact not what they verbally reassured me they were, certainly did not match their written description and did not have authentic signatures.
I would have also had recourse under the Misrepresentation Act 1967 as Military Trader made false and fraudulent claims. I relied on these statements made by them in deciding whether or not to go ahead with my purchases; I had been persuaded to buy these items from them due to the representations which they made to me. Therefore pursuant to the Misrepresentation Act 1967 I would have had also had a potential claim due to Fraudulent Misrepresentation.
Under the Unfair Trading Regulations 2008 I would be described as a Targeted Customer by them. The false information which they gave me verbally and in writing was been deceptive. They had engaged in misleading action under Section 5 and through their deceptive descriptions and presentation of items I had been duped into entering into contracts to purchase the items in question from them.
In summary under the Sales of Goods Act 1979 due to the fact that the items have been misdescribed they were in breach of contract and I advised them that I was rejecting the items and requested that they refunded the total sum paid to them.
Prior to me writing to them in April 2014 I had already received a small sum from Military Trader for a refund for other items of forged provenance. During legal correspondence my solicitor pointed out that despite the basis of my claim being that Military Trader knowingly and deliberately faked the provenance of items and manufactured documentation to substantiate that false provenance, their solicitors letter was remarkably silent on this point, not even venturing a denial in without prejudice correspondence. This speaks for itself.
I would comment that it was not all of the items in the list above that I could prove had been fraudulently enhanced, it was in particular items supported by handwriting, labels and signatures. The enhancement of the higher priced items obviously in turn caused much doubt as to the authenticity of all of the other items. Tony and Nigel Flitter were aware of my passion in 617 Squadron and specifically the Dambusters and did target me as a customer.
In my opinion the amount of money that they charged me for these enhanced items was ripping off at its worst. It has taken me most of this year to be reimbursed for all of the items which I purchased from them, plus being reimbursed for all of my legal costs and the Professional Calligraphers report. This case did not go to court as Military Trader decided to settle and pay all of my costs in return for the items which I gladly returned. I had my evidence prepared and there was not even a murmur of any declaration from them as to the authenticity or genuineness of the items, the authenticity of which the Calligraphers report dismissed due to the fake handwriting and other significant issues.
It has been noticed that there have been items for sale on Ebay which are items not relating to 617 Squadron which have also been proven by the Professional Calligrapher to have the same handwriting on the items. This handwriting is done by Military Trader and is not the authentic handwriting which a genuine item would have on it.
Notwithstanding the hundreds of items, which are sold by Military Trade via their website and also via Ebay under militarytrader-uk and other associated accounts, which are genuine it is an utter shame that Tony and Nigel Flitter need to resort to enhancing items in order to purport them to be something that they are certainly not, thereby enabling them to command a much higher price for these said items.
The moral of this story is if you are in any doubt of the authenticity of an item purchased it would be advisable to consult an independent military specialist. If that item is then found to be not what it is purported to be please report it to Lincolnshire Trading Standards or Lincolnshire CID who will add it to their investigation. We have to keep items such as these out of the market place as it is harmful to genuine pieces and is just simply irritating for collectors, whether they be serious collectors, just starting out or have a slight interest.
Please be aware of these items coming back onto the market and if you come across them with the same description or anything which is similarly doubtful report it and help put a stop to fraudulent trading.
What worries me perhaps more is the fact than our national heritage is damaged by such things, items could easily find there way into museums and end up there for posterity.
All I will say is collectors beware.......
this was written by AndyB - member of broadsword forum.
I have decided to put this letter up due to the recent events that happened to me and the continuous fraudulent sales from this dealer , I will also post this on other forums to let other collectors know.
Following a recent out of Court settlement which I received from a well-known Lincolnshire Military Trader I felt it important to warn collectors of military and wartime antiques and memorabilia of how easy it is into being be duped into purchasing items which are not what they are purported to be.
Due to the final agreement made between myself and Military Trader UK , not including a confidentiality clause, I am now at liberty to make other collectors aware of my experience which I feel is important in order to prevent the same thing happening to them.
Military Trader UK is run by Mr Tony Flitter and Nigel Flitter trading from Unit 10 Tattershall Park, Tattershall Way, Fairfield Industrial Estate, Louth, Lincolnshire, LN11 0YZ with their website address of militarytrder.co.uk and Ebay user name of militarytrader-uk, amongst others. In summary in April 2014 I wrote to Military Trader as it had come to my attention that items purchased from them were not what they had made them out to be. Over the previous two years I had purchased from Military Trader (UK), various Dambuster related items which were as follows:
Guy Gibsons Cap
Buckleys Cap
Gibsons Tankard
RAF Strata Scope
Scampton Microphone
Goodales Cap
Gibsons Escape Axe
Gibsons Mag Glass
RAF 617 Bomb Counter
RAF 617 Signalling Lamp
RAF Scampton Phone
RAF 617 Headphones
Flying Boots Ivan Whittaker
RAF Veteran Tie
Buckleys Bible
RAF Visibility Meter
RAF Playing Cards
Numerous Pieces of Wreckage & Artifacts
AM Visibility Meter
RAF Flag
H S Hobdays Tunic
Guy Gibsons Pilot Book
These items were all attributed by Military Trader to 617 Squadron and their personnel and at a cost of over 13,000
Following the last item purchased I discovered that there was immense doubt that items in question are not what they were described to be.
The Sales of Goods Act 1979 makes it an implied term of the contract that the goods be as described. Items that required expert verification or authentication to determine whether they were authentic or not were dealt with in the appropriate manner and an expert witness was found whose extensive report, had this case gone to Court, would have confirmed that these items had been misdescribed and misrepresented. In relation to these aforementioned items false verbal reassurances were given directly to me by Military Trader, they described the items as something they were not, in many cases this was supported by written evidence in the form of labels, signatures and other writing.
The signatures, writing and labels had all been studied by an independent writing expert ( calligrapher ) whom I engaged to help me confirm that the handwriting and typed labels all came from the same source. It was confirmed that all of the writing is of the same hand. The consistency of this handwriting then led to the fact that the writing and signatures which Military Trader purported to be original were from one source only, that being Military Trader. Therefore these written pieces and signatures which they claim corroborated and verified their items were false and could not be attributed to the persons or establishment as Military Trader claimed. Furthermore the professional examination of handwriting also extended to the Gibsons Pilots book which had also been confirmed as containing writing by the same hand and therefore could not possibly have belonged to Gibson.
Consequently, with reliance on written evidence, I was able to prove beyond reasonable doubt that items sold by Military Trader to me were in fact not what they verbally reassured me they were, certainly did not match their written description and did not have authentic signatures.
I would have also had recourse under the Misrepresentation Act 1967 as Military Trader made false and fraudulent claims. I relied on these statements made by them in deciding whether or not to go ahead with my purchases; I had been persuaded to buy these items from them due to the representations which they made to me. Therefore pursuant to the Misrepresentation Act 1967 I would have had also had a potential claim due to Fraudulent Misrepresentation.
Under the Unfair Trading Regulations 2008 I would be described as a Targeted Customer by them. The false information which they gave me verbally and in writing was been deceptive. They had engaged in misleading action under Section 5 and through their deceptive descriptions and presentation of items I had been duped into entering into contracts to purchase the items in question from them.
In summary under the Sales of Goods Act 1979 due to the fact that the items have been misdescribed they were in breach of contract and I advised them that I was rejecting the items and requested that they refunded the total sum paid to them.
Prior to me writing to them in April 2014 I had already received a small sum from Military Trader for a refund for other items of forged provenance. During legal correspondence my solicitor pointed out that despite the basis of my claim being that Military Trader knowingly and deliberately faked the provenance of items and manufactured documentation to substantiate that false provenance, their solicitors letter was remarkably silent on this point, not even venturing a denial in without prejudice correspondence. This speaks for itself.
I would comment that it was not all of the items in the list above that I could prove had been fraudulently enhanced, it was in particular items supported by handwriting, labels and signatures. The enhancement of the higher priced items obviously in turn caused much doubt as to the authenticity of all of the other items. Tony and Nigel Flitter were aware of my passion in 617 Squadron and specifically the Dambusters and did target me as a customer.
In my opinion the amount of money that they charged me for these enhanced items was ripping off at its worst. It has taken me most of this year to be reimbursed for all of the items which I purchased from them, plus being reimbursed for all of my legal costs and the Professional Calligraphers report. This case did not go to court as Military Trader decided to settle and pay all of my costs in return for the items which I gladly returned. I had my evidence prepared and there was not even a murmur of any declaration from them as to the authenticity or genuineness of the items, the authenticity of which the Calligraphers report dismissed due to the fake handwriting and other significant issues.
It has been noticed that there have been items for sale on Ebay which are items not relating to 617 Squadron which have also been proven by the Professional Calligrapher to have the same handwriting on the items. This handwriting is done by Military Trader and is not the authentic handwriting which a genuine item would have on it.
Notwithstanding the hundreds of items, which are sold by Military Trade via their website and also via Ebay under militarytrader-uk and other associated accounts, which are genuine it is an utter shame that Tony and Nigel Flitter need to resort to enhancing items in order to purport them to be something that they are certainly not, thereby enabling them to command a much higher price for these said items.
The moral of this story is if you are in any doubt of the authenticity of an item purchased it would be advisable to consult an independent military specialist. If that item is then found to be not what it is purported to be please report it to Lincolnshire Trading Standards or Lincolnshire CID who will add it to their investigation. We have to keep items such as these out of the market place as it is harmful to genuine pieces and is just simply irritating for collectors, whether they be serious collectors, just starting out or have a slight interest.
Please be aware of these items coming back onto the market and if you come across them with the same description or anything which is similarly doubtful report it and help put a stop to fraudulent trading.
