French 155mm Schneider - Fuze Adapter

[NATHANPORTER72]

Hello all - I have a French 155mm Schneider HE projectile. But was wondering if anyone out there had a photo of the fuze adapter ?
I have purchased a resin one, not sure if it is correct ? If any collector out there has one of these projectiles and would be kind enough
to share a photo of the adapter ?
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[kz11gr]

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[NATHANPORTER72]

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[NATHANPORTER72]

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Sorry - my mistake !!

 

[wingsofwrath]

Well, the 100point question is wherever that is a "Obus allonge en fonte aciérée Mle.1915" (Lengthened semi-steel shell Model 1915) or if it's a "Obus allonge Schneider en acier Mle.1915" (Lengthened Schneider steel shell Model 1915), because those had different adapters.
From the angle of the photo unfortunately I can't tell, but I'm inching towards the former.

As for dimensions of the fuze adapter, I only have one from the latter shell so I'm not sure it would be correct for yours, but I'm sure there are other members, like MINENAZ16 who know a lot more about this subject and hopefully can help you. In any case, here are the dimensions and two photos.

 

[MINENAZ16]

1rst black and white picture : 155mm model 1915 FA (cast steel) = gaine 40mm/55mm M1915 A, A1, A2 or A3 for 24mm fuze (most common are A and flat A2).
2nd black and white picture : 155mm model 1915 B (steel) = larger gaine 63mm/73mm 1915 C for 24mm fuze.

I think you have the 1rst, 155 M15FA (more common on battlefields than 155 M15B)

 

[wingsofwrath]

In this case, sorry, but the plans of my gaine will not help, since it's a French 47/55 model 1915B.

EDIT. But since we're on the subject, I have this plan of a Mle.1914 FA shell. What is the difference, if any, between this and the Mle.1915 FA shell?

Oh, and I remembered I have a drawing of the Mle.1915 FA shell from a Romanian manual for the 155mm DeBange and Schenider long guns showing the flat M.1915 A2 gaine.

 

[MINENAZ16]

155mm M1914 FA is a very rare shell. I assume quickly replaced by M1915 FA.
Same shape but with a driving band fixed higher.

 

[ozziammo]

OK, so a bit more probing into which projectile it is & what adapter did it use, The pic that Nathan posted shows a recess in the nose of the proj. but none of the other posted pics have this recess! Does the adapter sit in this recess or does it sit on top of the recess lip?
Regards Ozzi.

 

[MINENAZ16]

This recess was a modification (for seal) for chemical (gas-incendiary-smoke) shell (usually flat for HE, no recess).
So very complicated to find the special cylindrical gaine for a chemical shell.

 

[NATHANPORTER72]

Well, the 100point question is wherever that is a "Obus allonge en fonte aciérée Mle.1915" (Lengthened semi-steel shell Model 1915) or if it's a "Obus allonge Schneider en acier Mle.1915" (Lengthened Schneider steel shell Model 1915), because those had different adapters.
From the angle of the photo unfortunately I can't tell, but I'm inching towards the former.

As for dimensions of the fuze adapter, I only have one from the latter shell so I'm not sure it would be correct for yours, but I'm sure there are other members, like MINENAZ16 who know a lot more about this subject and hopefully can help you. In any case, here are the dimensions and two photos.

Thanks very much for your reply, I can confirm it is the first shell pictured - 155 M15FA, as it doesn't have the longer parallel sides like the 155 M15B.

Appreciate the info !
Cheers
Nathan

 

[NATHANPORTER72]

1rst black and white picture : 155mm model 1915 FA (cast steel) = gaine 40mm/55mm M1915 A, A1, A2 or A3 for 24mm fuze (most common are A and flat A2).
2nd black and white picture : 155mm model 1915 B (steel) = larger gaine 63mm/73mm 1915 C for 24mm fuze.

I think you have the 1rst, 155 M15FA (more common on battlefields than 155 M15B)

Thanks MINENAZ16 - appreciate the reply and information.
Cheers
Nathan

 

[kz11gr]

Hello

 

[MINENAZ16]

Hello

-Second : Gaine 40/55 A2
-First : bad DIY combination, this shell needs a gaine 63/73

You can see special chemical gaines here : http://www.guerredesgaz.fr/Agression/artillerie/francaise/Munitions/Munitions.htm

 

[ozziammo]

MINENAZ16, would you have a pic of what it should look like please? Thanks, Regards Ozzi.

 

[MINENAZ16]

MINENAZ16, would you have a pic of what it should look like please? Thanks, Regards Ozzi.

For the NATHAN's shell, you have a link with google images to a Henri BELOT pdf online : https://www.google.com/search?clien...ih=955&dpr=1#vhid=hOx4zxuMYveEWM&vssid=mosaic

 

[NATHANPORTER72]

Hello

Hello kz11gr, thanks for pictures, amazing projectiles.... are you sure mine is gas / chemical - as it is very heavy walled and the bottom very solid... is that normal for
French gas / chemical projectiles ?
Cheers
Nathan

 

[MINENAZ16]

Hello kz11gr, thanks for pictures, amazing projectiles.... are you sure mine is gas / chemical - as it is very heavy walled and the bottom very solid... is that normal for
French gas / chemical projectiles ?
Cheers
Nathan

French used body of HE shells for chemical shells (gas, smoke, incendiary).

 

[NATHANPORTER72]

French used body of HE shells for chemical shells (gas, smoke, incendiary).

OK - I didn't expect that. Mine weighs approx 36.5kg is that consistent with your projectile. Is that your projectile in the picture.
So what is the adapter I am looking for - what dimensions please 40/55 ? Is that correct ?
Cheers
Nathan

 

[MINENAZ16]

OK - I didn't expect that. Mine weighs approx 36.5kg is that consistent with your projectile. Is that your projectile in the picture.
So what is the adapter I am looking for - what dimensions please 40/55 ? Is that correct ?
Cheers
Nathan

As described in 2 previous web links, special cylindrical gaine 40-50.
If you want to make an HE shell for your collection, gaine 40/55 A or A2 could fit (the recess will be hidden)