German ww2 Bofors Conundrem?

[waffenamt]

Hi Chaps,
I have a couple of 40 mm Bofors in the collection.
The question is how come they are different sizes of cases and odd differences to the projectiles?
Mick seems to think some cases are cut down,but the projectiles seem to fit snugly?
I do like these and will end up `keepers` but i am curios as to whats happened?
I assume there has been a bit of the case on 2 of them lost during de-ac in the past?
I picked up 2 of them last weekend,was a lucky boy but i had to dig through piles of packing crates to find them!

cheers

waff

 

[waffenamt]

a few more shots...

 

[Chris 42 RQ]

Hacksaw job ?

Very nice find Waff, but they look like they have been cut as the right hand one appears to have an angled rim at the top where it has presumably been "hacksawed" off.

 

[waffenamt]

Lets take a peek at the projectiles...

 

[Chris 42 RQ]

Question sorted !

Lets take a peek at the projectiles...

Paul your picture shows the answer to your question=the cases have been cut down as the evidence is sat on the bottom of the projectile-the case neck is still crimped onto the projectile (that is what appears to be the second driving band!)

Why oh why do people butcher such fantastic items ?:tinysmile_cry_t4:

 

[waffenamt]

proj bottoms for the tracer units?

 

[waffenamt]

Paul your picture shows the answer to your question=the cases have been cut down as the evidence is sat on the bottom of the projectile-the case neck is still crimped onto the projectile (that is what appears to be the second driving band!)

Why oh why do people butcher such fantastic items ?:tinysmile_cry_t4:

Thanks Chris,
Im told that they get cut when de-accing?
Still nice items and going in the collection..

best

waff

 

[waffenamt]

A couple more close ups,you can see here the difference on the proj`s.

 

[Mariusz Loslau]

Hi,
And here My ugly German 4cm Flak round;
Projectile;
4cm BrSprgr Lh28
Case;
40x311R
Fuze;
KZ 40

Regards.

 

[Fuzeman]

Hi Paul its interesting to see the firing pin has,nt struck the primer centrally

 

[Chris 42 RQ]

Marks 1 and II etc

Waff I wonder if the difference between the projectiles is due to different drawings or different "Marks" as in Mk 1 Mk II etc etc.

Some of the 17 pounder AP rounds vary slightly if you look closely at them and the only reason is ongoing improvements or modifications made during the production of these items-what are the projectile dates ? that may give you a clue as to the differences.

Very nice items and glad that you are intending to keep them.

 

[FHGrStg]

jkg = MVAG, Budapest, Kőbnyai street 19-23.
Made in Hungary.

 

[waffenamt]

Thanks for the info chaps,i reckon you are right with the slight differences.Its deffo the case end now you mention it thats stuck to the proj bottom.
The codes on one of the full rounds are ENZ 42(Enzesfelder Metallwerk A.G. Werk Enzesfeld/N.D).

cheers

waff

 

[Mariusz Loslau]

Hi,

jkg = MVAG, Budapest, Kőbnyai street 19-23.
Made in Hungary.

Exacly,
First case it's for Hungarian 40mm 36M Bofors system AA cannon.
This ammunition;40 x 311R was also used in Tank gun 40mm 40M and 42M.
(36/40M "Nimrod", tank Turn I [40M 40mm] and tank Toldi [42M 40mm].

And here some Hungarian 40mm Bofors ammunition;

Regards.

 

[Tmine35]

Here some of my inert 40mm Bofors rounds.
Picture 1 German rounds, from top:
-Sprgb
-Pzb
-Sprg
-Sprg
Picture 2, from top:
-Finnish AP, in German case
-British AP
-Swedish HE
-British HE

 

[FHGrStg]

Loslau, the jkg is produced only for Germany. (We manufactured shells to England too, but because war, we fired it all of them. It is only curiosity. :tinysmile_shy_t Did you ever see, Hungarian made KZ40 fuze?

In the picture.
Hungarian 43M AP-T projectile.
Similar to the HE proj. but inside the shell, there is a hard steel core.
Under the aluminium cap, incendiary mixture.

 

[FHGrStg]

Hungarian 39M HE projectile, with aluminium 38/40M head fuze.
The base fuze brass 38/40M.

H means Weiss Manfrd Acl s Fmművek Rt., Budapest, Csepel island.
The H's german code: jyo.

 

[Mariusz Loslau]

Hi,

) Did you ever see, Hungarian made KZ40 fuze?.

No, never.
I have KZ 40 fuze only in german 4cm Projectile.
Our's Hungarian projectiles, are with 38/40M pillanatgyjt fuze's

Here; 40mm 36M repeszgrnt.

We find in Poland lot of Hungarian 40mm ammunition made for Germany.

Regards.

 

[FHGrStg]

Hi,
Here; 40mm 36M repeszgrnt.

Very nice!
Much rarer than the 39M variant.

Pictures about the 36M projectiles:

 

[FHGrStg]

Some pictures about the base fuzes.

1.) 36M base fuzes: left normal, right dummy fuze.
2.) 38/40M base fuzes for the 39M HE projectiles. VG means DIMVAG (not Budapest but Disgyőr).