Gr.Z. 16 Type 1 ou 2

[Tarbelin51]

Hello
It seems that this is a fuze Gr.Z.16.
But what model or type.
Does anyone have some information and / or drawing.
In advance thank you all.
EOD-DBT-012

 

[Alpini]

think you mean more likely a Gr. Z. 17? But for this one I think it is a dutch fuze. Are there any stamps on it?

 

[Mrfuze]

Gr.Z.16

I have seen now 3 types of this fuze, all with different tip assemblies.
The internal parts are very common:
5 segments, setback ring, needle,spring and primer. carrier, it is certainly a German construction, but there is not a real model designation to it. In a Belgian/French fuze document from WW I there are at least 2 of these fuzes described, marked with " unknown nomenclature" as far as I remember. Certainly German made for ????
Mrfuze, USA

 

[DICKAREN]

I have seen now 3 types of this fuze, all with different tip assemblies.
The internal parts are very common:
5 segments, setback ring, needle,spring and primer. carrier, it is certainly a German construction, but there is not a real model designation to it. In a Belgian/French fuze document from WW I there are at least 2 of these fuzes described, marked with " unknown nomenclature" as far as I remember. Certainly German made for ????
Mrfuze, USA

I agree with Erhard. Haven't got the manual to hand at present.
Richard

 

[Alpini]

yes, it is a german construction - patented by Krupp. In WW1 the german navy used fuzes of same construction without any known designation. After war Bofors continued producing these fuzes. I have one dutch Schokbuis No.** which has nearly same shape but it is made completely of brass.

Shape of fuze (except the groove around fuze body) and material description of this one (german navy) fits well:

http://www.bocn.co.uk/vbforum/attachment.php?attachmentid=25260&d=1264198439

Knowing the name of it would be nice, but there is a big lack of german WW1 navy documents...

@Tarbelin51: please measure the diameter of the fuze thread...

 

[Tarbelin51]

Thank you all
Yes, I already saw this sketch, but no name.
I actually think it's German manufacturing and the first World War.
A name would be a good way forward.
Principle to lock, leads me to offer you a second fuze running on the same principle and given for 17cm.

 

[Alpini]

You are right it is for 17 cm. The name of this fuze is: "Kopfznder fr Sprengranaten mit Klappensicherung (17 cm)". It is also of Krupp origin (like 99% of german WW1 navy fuzes). Very rare piece!

 

[Mrfuze]

another version of the unnamed nose fuzes

Here is another modification of the above mentioned nose fuze, the only markings is the "M" stamp for German Navy WW I dated 1918.

 

[Tarbelin51]

Mrfuze and Alpini, thank you for this info.

Mrfuze, the system inside is the same?

Same operating principle. Another model that I did not know.

 

[Mrfuze]

yes , the same internal functionings as the other
Mrfuze, USA

 

[DICKAREN]

Hello
It seems that this is a fuze Gr.Z.16.
But what model or type.
Does anyone have some information and / or drawing.
In advance thank you all.
EOD-DBT-012

There is a photo of a sectioned fuze of this type on www.forumeerstewereldoorlog
Richard

 

[silent knight]

Here is a drawing showing the internal parts of the german fuze "fr 10 cm Marinegeschtz"

Pascal