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Grenade kugel type ID

I saw this item also. The owner removed this from Delcampe and made a statement that he admitted he screwed in a Serbian M17 Egg Grenade Fuse WW1 (made for Yugoslavia) into the German Kugal 1913 body. Although the fuse fits well, the Germans did not use it in this configuration. It is just a mis-match, looks good but was never used as far as I know and is not referenced in any of the good grenade reference books.
 
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Few years ago , I found in Spain some German grenades with uncommon fuses.The most interesting ones was an german egg grenade with a fuse who looks like a french fuse .
Take a look on the pic attached.After some investigations , I learned thar different types of grenades have been bought by Spanish government between the two world wars .Fuses have been changed for others , from others countries.Another example , an german bomb , SD 10 , used during civil war , with a spanish fuse .

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Seawitch said:
I saw this item also. The owner removed this from Delcampe and made a statement that he admitted he screwed in a Serbian M17 Egg Grenade Fuse WW1 (made for Yugoslavia) into the German Kugal 1913 body. Although the fuse fits well, the Germans did not use it in this configuration. It is just a mis-match, looks good but was never used as far as I know and is not referenced in any of the good grenade reference books.
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Sorry, but you are wrong. I was indeed used in this combination by Yugoslavia. Also the british No.15 "Lemon" grenade was used with this yugoslavian (serbian) fuze.

Yugoslavia was using a lot of modified german WW1 ammunition after war. I don't know why, maybe the material was left on yugoslavian territory after war or they got reparations in the form of ammunition.
 
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madoc44 said:
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Few years ago , I found in Spain some German grenades with uncommon fuses.The most interesting ones was an german egg grenade with a fuse who looks like a french fuse.
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The picture isn't the best one but the fuze looks much like a polish wz. GR. 31. This polish fuze has the french grenade fuze thread (maybe M16x1,5?) so the german egg grenade must have got a new fuze thread to take the polish fuze.
 
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Alpini said:
Sorry, but you are wrong. I was indeed used in this combination by Yugoslavia. Also the british No.15 "Lemon" grenade was used with this yugoslavian (serbian) fuze.

Yugoslavia was using a lot of modified german WW1 ammunition after war. I don't know why, maybe the material was left on yugoslavian territory after war or they got reparations in the form of ammunition.
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Alpini.
I think you mean the British No 16 ? The Serbian fuze is much to small for the No15 but would probably fit a No 16 .
 
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And I forgot the French F1 was also used with this yugoslavian fuze.
 
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Alpini . Here's some pictures . The No 15 is on the left & the No 16 on the right . As can be seen , the aperture the fuze screws into is very much larger on the No 15 . If they did use the Serbian fuze , it would have needed a substantial adaptor . Was this possibly the case ? Thanks.
 
I think they modified the brass plate of the original fuze or made a new plate.

I wonder why they did use their own fuzes. But maybe the original fuzes stopped to work properly some years after war. I think not one of the original fuzes was made for a long storage time. During war most of them were delivered to the front within some weeks or months.
 
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I do not remember who was selling this, but it appeared on SpecialistAuctions.com long ago; a No.15 with the fuze hole rethreaded and the anchor stud removed.

The match composition used in the Brock igniter as supplied with the British No.15 grenades did deteriorate over time, so perhaps the justification for a new fuze.




Tom.
 

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Here is a very interesting 1913 Kugel (on the left) which has been modified to take a version of the Lanz Mortar Always Fuse. The Lanz mortar was the German version of the Allied Stokes Mortar and was also fired from a smooth bore with no form of stabilization so the fuse had to function no matter how it landed, thus the always fuse. The Germans, as well as the Allies, were constantly experimenting and it was inevitable they would have investigated the merits of a grenade which would explode on contact.
This grenade has different threads which are much larger and specific to the Lanz Fuse.
The Fuse itself is a modification and is different in several ways from the one used on the mortar shells. The Germans also used modifications of the Lanz on the percussion stick grenades with the long spoon on the handle and several experimental rifle grenades. It is probably safe to assume it was never used in any quantity and may have never advanced beyond experimental trials.
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Alpini said:
The picture isn't the best one but the fuze looks much like a polish wz. GR. 31. This polish fuze has the french grenade fuze thread (maybe M16x1,5?) so the german egg grenade must have got a new fuze thread to take the polish fuze.
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First of all this is polish fuze wz GRN 31 not wz GR 31.This type of fuze was made exactly for german eggs with smaller theard to fit to german eggs(about 13 mm theard).About 200 000 german eggs with wz GRN 31 fuze was bought by Spain for cyvilian war.Second the french fuze has the same thears as polisch wz.GR 31 fuze not polish as a french becouse this fuze was invented in Poland and France bought a patent for makeing copies.
 
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Grenades . Would this be one of the Spanish eggs ? I never knew for sure & had assumed it was a Polish one . Thank for posting that information . Siegfreid .
 
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