Unknown Projectile 22-Sec fuze

[jvollenberg]

Any idea of the ID on this fuze? It is a 22-Second Powder Train Time. It has the U.S ordnance Crest on it, but to be honest I don't think it is of U.S. design. I think it is something the U.S. tested or used from another country.

Diameter: 60-MM
Length: 66-MM
Exposed Length: 46-MM

Any Ideas?

Joe

 

[bdgreen]

Erhardt Combination Fuze?

Attached diagram and text is from Fuzes for Use In Mountain, Field, Siege and Seacoast Projectiles..., 1908, U.S. Ordnance Department

 

[jvollenberg]

Thank you for the info ... and now everyone has pictures of this OLD fuze ...

Joe

 

[Burney Davis]

What puzzles me is why there are sloping cut outs in/from the gas escape vents. They look to be deliberate and of the period, but I would have thought affected the performance of the fuze. Any ideas?

D

 

[Snufkin]

I have a somewhat similar fuze for which I'd appreciate an identification. Is it a variant of the Erhardt shown in post #2? I understand the markings are Ottoman Turkish.

Diameter at widest point is 60mm/2.34 inch. Height is 57.3mm/2.25 inch. The bottom threads are 38mm/1.5 inch diameter, 14 tpi Whitworth form. (Whitworth was often used on early German WWI shell and grenade fuzes.)

Thanks...





Tom.

 

[lcn]

Hello to all
This is the British version of the German fuze Ehrardt it was produced under license as the U.S. version and was designated as No. 58.

 

[jvollenberg]

So what country is that with it? Can anyone translate the markings? I'm guessing Turkey, but could be wrong.

Joe

 

[Alpini]

yes it is a Rheinmetall export fuze for Turkey (for 8,7 cm Krupp Field Gun) graduated to 47 hectometres (4700m).

 

[MINENAZ16]

Hello,

Example of markings on Turkish fuze (pictures from internet) :

 

[MINENAZ16]

Hello to all
This is the British version of the German fuze Ehrardt it was produced under license as the U.S. version and was designated as No. 58.
View attachment 89584View attachment 89585

Hello Jean Paul,

I can read in my doc that the No58 is a T&P 17s from Vickers for 12.5pr. Is it the same fuze ?

Pictures of British Erhardt fuze on 15Pr (from Bocn and internet)

 

[lcn]

Hi MINENAZ16
I find only the NO58 for 15 pdr shrapnel Mk I
In the handbook of 12.5 pdr is mentioned as the No59 (which looks a bit like the No58) is mounted on the shrapnel shell
Herewith an extract from British Artillery weapons from 1914 to 1918 by IV Hogg 1 LF Thurston
and Handbook of shrapnel shells 15 pdr Mk I
Cordialement
Jean Paul

 

[MINENAZ16]

Merci Jean Paul

The Krupp design of No59 seems to be the same as the german navy fuze DoppZc/04