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    Japanese f headstamp

    Hi all out there,

    I am pretty good when it comes to reading Japanese Headstamps but I have always been puzzled by the F found on shell casings 37 mm and above as shown in attached picture.

    Does anyone out there know what the F stands for without guessing?

    The headstamp markings shown in this picture indicate that it was made at the Osaka Arsenal in September of 1936. The primer to the centre of the base has stamps for the first Tokyo Arsenal and a February of 1939 date.

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    The "F" on Japanese cases

    I have been told that the "F" comes from when the British were dominant in the Japanese military establishment (~1900+), and that it represents a "Full" charge to have been loaded in the case. I have never found this explanation in an official document. -Rick

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    Gee thanks Rick. At least that sounds quite plausable. I too have never see referance to the F headstamp in any publication although there is more that enough about all of the other headstamps there seems to be void when it comes to that F.
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    I was looking at a few of my cases last night, and I found a number of them with the F, but I had at least one with an E

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    Quote Originally Posted by HAZORD View Post
    I was looking at a few of my cases last night, and I found a number of them with the F, but I had at least one with an E

    Hi,

    Let me have a wild-card guess: the one with the 'E' was most likely a 47x130R case?
    These rounds were manufactured in Britain (and France too, I think), and would often have British markings, like e.g. "E.O.C." and "C.F." which can be found on one of my samples, and also, very often, the letter 'E' (often, but not always, in a circle).
    Other odd headstamps I've seen were on Type 41 75x185R calibres, which often bear Chinese markings (and were often (re-)used by the Chinese after WW2), and 37x112R Type 11, light infantry gun, cases, which were often manufactured in occupied China. One such sample doesn't have anything at the 12 o'clock position, and another one I've seen has the letter 'A' at that position. These also follow an overall different headstamp style.

    A for Slick Rick's comment, it was I who conjectured it to possibly mean 'army' usage. It certainly hasn't been seen by me on any IJN case, and only (and always?) seems to appear on the typical style IJA headstamps, as shown in the original question.

    I'm hoping Ken Elks may have an answer there; perhaps in his soon to be released part 2 of his excellent work on Japanese ammo.

    Also, in amongst a heavily overpaid set of digital documents I have on Japanese ammo, there is a great one which is 100% in Japanese (titled "Japanese ammunition", as far as I can decipher the Kanji). I have just sent that one to a Japanese contact of mine. I can ask him if that document perhaps mentions anything about this letter 'F'.

    Cheers!
    Olafo
    Last edited by ogreve; 2nd June 2009 at 12:12 PM.

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    Japanese ammunition translation

    Hi there Ogreve,
    I haven't got around to getting it yet but I know that the Australian War Memorial Museum have a heap of captured Japanese manuals etc that were translated into English by the Allied Translation and Interpreter Service during WWII.
    From memory some of them are about individual weapons such as machine guns and I think one of them is on ammuniton. Digital or photocopies are available on request for a fee. Now when searching the AWM site look under Japan Australia Research Project http://ajrp.awm.gov.au/
    and enter in the search option ---- manual*
    I think you will agree, there is a heap of mind boggling material available.
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    If, the 'F' stamp is a case life history indicator, one would assume that are also cases with multiple 'F's thereon and maybe 'R's as well. Has anyone seen cases so marked?

    Regards

    TimG.

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    Hi,

    Nope, never seen cases marked that way...

    Also, @Bougainville: thanks for the links; I'm going to check it out!

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    Hi again,

    Alright, I had a quick browse, and if I searched correctly, at least the following 4 URLs sound interesting:
    http://ajrp.awm.gov.au/ajrp/ajrp2.ns...f?OpenDocument
    http://ajrp.awm.gov.au/ajrp/ajrp2.ns...f?OpenDocument
    http://ajrp.awm.gov.au/ajrp/ajrp2.ns...4?OpenDocument
    http://ajrp.awm.gov.au/ajrp/ajrp2.ns...4?OpenDocument

    It would be highly interesting to see if copies can be had of these, especially of the one having the colour plates of ammunition too!

    Cheers,
    Olafo

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    Hi there,
    I think that even though you found some items of interest that you missed the ones that I was thinking of which are,

    http://ajrp.awm.gov.au/ajrp/ajrp2.ns...a?OpenDocument
    http://ajrp.awm.gov.au/ajrp/ajrp2.ns...3?OpenDocument
    http://ajrp.awm.gov.au/ajrp/ajrp2.ns...e?OpenDocument
    http://ajrp.awm.gov.au/ajrp/ajrp2.ns...1?OpenDocument
    http://ajrp.awm.gov.au/ajrp/ajrp2.ns...b?OpenDocument
    http://ajrp.awm.gov.au/ajrp/ajrp2.ns...9?OpenDocument
    http://ajrp.awm.gov.au/ajrp/ajrp2.ns...c?OpenDocument
    http://ajrp.awm.gov.au/ajrp/ajrp2.ns...1?OpenDocument
    http://ajrp.awm.gov.au/ajrp/ajrp2.ns...1?OpenDocument
    http://ajrp.awm.gov.au/ajrp/ajrp2.ns...b?OpenDocument
    http://ajrp.awm.gov.au/ajrp/ajrp2.ns...2?OpenDocument
    http://ajrp.awm.gov.au/ajrp/ajrp2.ns...7?OpenDocument
    And the list goes on. This is just a sampling of what is available. There is somethig availabe to suit everybodies interests. If you also clicked on the right link you will see that copies can be obtained.

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    Hope this is of help'
    Cheers,
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    Quote Originally Posted by ogreve View Post
    Hi again,

    Alright, I had a quick browse, and if I searched correctly, at least the following 4 URLs sound interesting:
    http://ajrp.awm.gov.au/ajrp/ajrp2.ns...f?OpenDocument
    http://ajrp.awm.gov.au/ajrp/ajrp2.ns...f?OpenDocument
    http://ajrp.awm.gov.au/ajrp/ajrp2.ns...4?OpenDocument
    http://ajrp.awm.gov.au/ajrp/ajrp2.ns...4?OpenDocument

    It would be highly interesting to see if copies can be had of these, especially of the one having the colour plates of ammunition too!

    Cheers,
    Olafo

 

 
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