I,ve got another one there,s is something written on the other side hard to read .
But i will make a picture .
But i will make a picture .
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2" mortar WP
- Thread starter BMG50
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The lettering is 11 mm high
Anyone know what logo or writing would be in this oval? I can remember it being REVO, just wondering if other similar logos that might be the same are found on other types of ordnance especially for WP like 25pdr 3" or 4.2" mortar, maybe filled by the same company. Also I am curious if Revo company manufactured mortar rounds other than grenades and they specialise in the filling and handling of WP. Just trying to push people for clues.
The REVO Electric Company Ltd., Tipton, Staffs, UK are still in existence and make electric cookers among other things.
Their descriptor is given as 'REV' in my list. Their 36 Grenades are marked REVO.
Before WWII they made various electric lamps, particularly street lamps. These suddenly were no longer required.
They handled Mercury and Sodium metal etc so were well placed to pick up War Office tenders for heavy metal castings. I do not know if they actually filled 2" WP bombs.
There is no mention of 2" WP bombs in DWS Notes of 1942, so the tank men may have been happy with their generators smoke at that time ( there is a recent thread about the generators).
The need for a relatively easily reloadable discharger became necessary, so the Bomb Mortar 2" Bomb Thrower was produced, with the discharger mounted on the tank turret. WP also gives a good immediate burst and could be projected further if necessary. Because these were made to fit the 2" mortar these were linked to a future infantry requirement and produced in large numbers.
By 1945 they are in the next publications. In there it says that future production packages are to have "MOR" removed from the description because they were no longer required by the infantry. The infantry never had any use for them and were quite happy with the vast numbers of Bomb Mor 2" Smoke Mk 2.
The Pre '44' marking system was the green smoke body, with a white ring nearly half way down and WP in black letters, twice the size of the other black markings, above the ring.
The '44 - '48' marking system had the same white ring but without WP.
The '48 - to eventually '51', marking system had the white ring with a narrower white ring below it. Although this marking is shown in Inter (later 'Joint') Service Ammunition and Ammunition Package Markings Handbook 1948, it is unlikely that any were ever made with this marking, due to the large stocks made with the infantry in mind.
Fortunately (from a disposal point of view) a major war involving tanks began in Korea and great quantities were shipped to there.
Most of these tanks, if not all, still used the 2" bomb thrower.
With the cease fire in 1953 and the pull out in 1956 there were still plenty of these about, but as a former government 'authorised representative' for the transport of explosive stores, I can say that the last thing you wanted to bring back was the remnant of a dying system, particularly as they provide awful stowage safety problems, so they were disposed of locally.
By this time there were not many left in UK/European depots and these were disposed of and the Grenade No. 80, discharged by Fuze Electric F 103 became the tank smoke producer of choice.
They are not easy to empty and most if not all the ones held by collectors were probably training?instructional aids.
I forgot to say that a quantity of the 2" bomb thrower bombs were painted white for tank firing training purposes, but these were strictly controlled for obvious reasons and were quickly used up.
BMG50 you should have kept yours because they must be like rocking horse manure.
Their descriptor is given as 'REV' in my list. Their 36 Grenades are marked REVO.
Before WWII they made various electric lamps, particularly street lamps. These suddenly were no longer required.
They handled Mercury and Sodium metal etc so were well placed to pick up War Office tenders for heavy metal castings. I do not know if they actually filled 2" WP bombs.
There is no mention of 2" WP bombs in DWS Notes of 1942, so the tank men may have been happy with their generators smoke at that time ( there is a recent thread about the generators).
The need for a relatively easily reloadable discharger became necessary, so the Bomb Mortar 2" Bomb Thrower was produced, with the discharger mounted on the tank turret. WP also gives a good immediate burst and could be projected further if necessary. Because these were made to fit the 2" mortar these were linked to a future infantry requirement and produced in large numbers.
By 1945 they are in the next publications. In there it says that future production packages are to have "MOR" removed from the description because they were no longer required by the infantry. The infantry never had any use for them and were quite happy with the vast numbers of Bomb Mor 2" Smoke Mk 2.
The Pre '44' marking system was the green smoke body, with a white ring nearly half way down and WP in black letters, twice the size of the other black markings, above the ring.
The '44 - '48' marking system had the same white ring but without WP.
The '48 - to eventually '51', marking system had the white ring with a narrower white ring below it. Although this marking is shown in Inter (later 'Joint') Service Ammunition and Ammunition Package Markings Handbook 1948, it is unlikely that any were ever made with this marking, due to the large stocks made with the infantry in mind.
Fortunately (from a disposal point of view) a major war involving tanks began in Korea and great quantities were shipped to there.
Most of these tanks, if not all, still used the 2" bomb thrower.
With the cease fire in 1953 and the pull out in 1956 there were still plenty of these about, but as a former government 'authorised representative' for the transport of explosive stores, I can say that the last thing you wanted to bring back was the remnant of a dying system, particularly as they provide awful stowage safety problems, so they were disposed of locally.
By this time there were not many left in UK/European depots and these were disposed of and the Grenade No. 80, discharged by Fuze Electric F 103 became the tank smoke producer of choice.
They are not easy to empty and most if not all the ones held by collectors were probably training?instructional aids.
I forgot to say that a quantity of the 2" bomb thrower bombs were painted white for tank firing training purposes, but these were strictly controlled for obvious reasons and were quickly used up.
BMG50 you should have kept yours because they must be like rocking horse manure.
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The REVO factory in Tipton was literally next door to the factory of Albright & Wilson, purveyors of fine red and white phosphorus to the British Military. A&W also had the capability for filling munitions with phosphorus (and had made millions of the No.76 SIP grenade) so perhaps logical to have a nearby company like REVO make the empty mortar rounds for filling in the adjacent premises.
Tom.
Tom.
The phosphorus was contained within "Container Smoke, No. 5." As far as I'm aware Albright & Wilson had an almost monopoly on White Phosphorus production in the UK. Post war they had a very large share of the world market and purchased the Electric Reduction Company of Canada (ER/C) who were responsible for filling, amongst other stores the No. 77 Grenade.
Albright & Wilson had two monograms, reflecting their two UK sites -
A.W.O. (Oldbury)
A.W.S. (Stourbridge)
TimG
Albright & Wilson had two monograms, reflecting their two UK sites -
A.W.O. (Oldbury)
A.W.S. (Stourbridge)
TimG
Thanks guys for such fantastic information. I have noticed that the WP 2" I have come across so far is 43 dated usually with No:3 steel fins the last record of WP noted as far as I know is in the Regulations for Army Ordnance Services part 7, pamphlet No. 15A 2"mortAr ammunition Oct 1945. It mentions that WP is no longer required by the time of writing. It was designed for both infantry and AFV and remaining stocks and markings changed to bomb thrower mk 3.
As for selling the one I had, yes I do kick myself but in this game of collecting just be patient as things turn up in their droves.
As for markings it was certainly marked REVO in an oval in black, strange that the three factories were next to each other. Just wondering if anyone has any WP grenades or projectiles that have any logo or monograms from these three factories, that would be quite interesting to see.
Revo had the facility to assemble and deal with explosives like grenades, pack and print the bombs and A.W.O just filled and sealed the canisters. A filled No5 canister would be safe to handle but it would not be wise to have 151 fuzes in the same plant that made and produced WP canisters and the ingredients under the same roof. I assume the 77 grenade is a sealed unit and the fuzes assembled may be next door at REVO with controlled facilities for fuze assembly just in case of an accident. REVO taking credit marking the bombs up with their name. Just a theory.
As for selling the one I had, yes I do kick myself but in this game of collecting just be patient as things turn up in their droves.
As for markings it was certainly marked REVO in an oval in black, strange that the three factories were next to each other. Just wondering if anyone has any WP grenades or projectiles that have any logo or monograms from these three factories, that would be quite interesting to see.
Revo had the facility to assemble and deal with explosives like grenades, pack and print the bombs and A.W.O just filled and sealed the canisters. A filled No5 canister would be safe to handle but it would not be wise to have 151 fuzes in the same plant that made and produced WP canisters and the ingredients under the same roof. I assume the 77 grenade is a sealed unit and the fuzes assembled may be next door at REVO with controlled facilities for fuze assembly just in case of an accident. REVO taking credit marking the bombs up with their name. Just a theory.