20mm Subcalibers

[EODGUY]

I'm curious! I have posted a photo of several 20mm subcaliber cartridges both Swiss and Belgian. Can someone tell me what systems they are for? Also, does anyone have other variations of similar rounds? I don't mean the current DAG-type long aluminum ones, the 14.5mm German subcalibers, the older Davy Crockett rounds or any small arms size types, just ones with cases of this type.

PHOTO (l-r): M+FA 73 20mm UG 57 35 headstamp. Blue paper
case, bakelite body.
MPA 64 20mm headstamp. Electric primer.
M+FA 77 20mm UG 50 15 headstamp. Red paper case,
OD plastic body, black rubber tip.
Unheadstamped. Electric primer.
Unheadstamped.
Unheadstamped.
The long cartridge on the bottom is unheadstamped and has an electric primer. Ink stamped on the case is "TP-T 20/90 LOT 1-MCR-90". There is another line that I cannot make out.

M+FA = Eidgenossiche Munitionsfabrik, Altdorf, Switzerland.
MPA = Mecar, S.A. Belgium
MCR = Mecar, S.A., Nivelles, Belgium

Bob

 

[SG500]

I can't answer your question Bob but the projectile on that bottom one looks very similar to a 20mm Marquardt - the driving band is different but otherwise its similar.
Dave.
http://www.bocn.co.uk/vbforum/20mm-marquardt-rounds-t70580.html?t=70580&highlight=marquardt

 

[Chris 42 RQ]

Nice items.

Would the fourth round from the left be a spotting round for the "Strella 13" ??
Lovely items EODGUY

 

[EODGUY]

The long projectile does look like a Marquardt, but it is not. The rounds in the link you posted are mine also so I have a direct comparison.
I'm not sure about the SA-13 subcaliber round. I have a gut feeling the subcaliber round I have is Belgian. I was not aware there was a subcaliber round for the SA-13 and if there is I am not sure how it would be used. The SA-13 is a surface to air missile with a range that would far exceed any subcaliber round of this size I would think. I spend most of my life being confused though so this just adds to it.

 

[fkw81]

Here a fired 20mm UG50 from egun.de

 

[Spaceinvader]

There was a post about someone needing an ID on the long one on the bottom. Let me see if I can find the thread but like you said EOD, it is not a marquart, and is a spotting round.