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A sad day

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Been pretty busy lately, not much time to post anything. Had three RFIs for identification when I got home this evening, this was one of them. I asked if there was any way that they could save it........ Response was that they just got a little more rare.

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Yes, too bad. And the chance of it actually being a live, loaded Shinkle are pretty slim. That said, they had a VERY sensitive impact fuze and the internal details are not well documented in the literature out there.

If one had a loaded example, I can think of a lot of other grenades I would rather mess with than this piece.
 
As a collector I have nothing but respect for ordnance, and safety is paramount of course for anyone involved in such work, however wouldn't taking an x-ray of it have revealed if it was live or not? (I note from the photo tape has been applied as a precautionary measure, so someone must have deemed it safe enough to handle)

regards Kev
 
A good question, but no simple answer.

An Xray will many times allow you to confirm the presence or lack of certain components. Key to this is that you have a detailed understanding of the appearance of a complete item, as it appears on Xray. What is the explosive fill on a Shinkle? How does that appear on Xray? Not just on Xray, but on your particular Xray and processing system.

Generally law enforcement bomb squads (as this was) receive very little training, if any, on explosive ordnance. Further, they have little available to practice Xrays on. Looking at an item this rare, how do you determine if it is live or not? Has anyone on this forum ever seen one on Xray? I see dozens of Xrays every day, recognizing a fill or lack of fill on an unfamiliar object in less than ideal conditions, then betting someone's life on it, not an easy task. Is the fill supposed to be a solid, liquid, powder? Are we looking through a half inch of steel? (an inch once you look through both sides)

I was asking if the item was in a location where it could be stored, and then a military team could be requested to take control and check/inert. The decision was no. Their call. They contacted me only for assistance in identification and potential hazards.
 
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