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Bits and Bobs.

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Heugh

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A couple of weeks ago I posted about our options for collection of ammunition we had recently taken reciept of. For some reason I have since been unable to find the post so wonder if it was removed??
But nevermind, I got some helpful private messages which at some point I hope to be able to follow up fully - time is always had to get these days. Only today was I able to get back to my desk to start photographing these bits and bobs as the first step to cataloguing. Only managed to do a few tins but I thought you might like to see some pictures.
 

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Nice items indeed. I'm curious as to the identity of the large calibre round at the top of picture 2, just to the left of the Martini-Henry and Snider rounds, it looks much bigger than the Snider.
 
Hi reccetrooper,

I will be following up on that mystery round shortly with a picture.
I was back in today and came across this bag of .303...

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Ok heres the mystery round. I have not had time to investigate so any ideas anyone?

Cal 0.75inch (nominal), Case length 1.39inch.
No headstamps or other markings.
Bullet is flat nosed.

Joe
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Hi Joe,

This looks like the French 18mm Tabatiere, which was used in the M 1867 Infantry Rifle and others, used by second-line troops. It has a rolled brass body, covered with paper. Probably made by Gevelot, as there is a "G" on the primer.

Nice looking lot of .303s in your previous post; - any chance of seeing the headstamps, please?

Roger.
 
Yes, a good mixture Roger

Everything from Ball Mark II (or VI), Ball Mark IV or V, Canadian G Mark II, G Mark IV and V, D Mark VI, FN Incendiary, Gaudet, Blank L10z, various sporting, all sorts.

Regards
TonyE
 
Thank you Roger tor the information on the Tabatiere round and the other info you have sent me.

I only got a few minutes with the collection this weekend so have nothing new to add for now. In order to improve my knowledge I intend concentrating on .303 for a while so this might well be something of a .303 thread for a bit :) I am back again next week so will try to have a picture then of the headstamps of the .303 posted earlier.

I thought other members would be interested in seeing the Bisley round and hope you don't mind if I relay verbatim the info you sent me:

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"When the NRA moved to Bisley from Wimbledon in 1890, the Volunteers were still using the .577/.450 Martini-Henry, although the Regulars had started to use the .303 in 1889. The .303 wasn't used at Bisley by the Volunteers in any quantity until about 1898. In that year the NRA asked the War Office for 450,000 rounds for issue during the main "Imperial" Meeting in July (in previous years they had only asked for 50,000 rounds), and they specifically requested that the cases be specially marked (to avoid people using their own ammo instead of the "issue" ammo), and also that the packets be specially marked.

The War Office each year up until about 1910 blackened the cases of this special Bisley ammo, sometimes the whole case, some times just the top or bottom half, or the middle third, the markings being different for each year. Some of the markings we know of, many we don't, unfortunately (a lot of the records pre 1907 got thrown away in the 1960s to make more room!!) so this packet of yours is very interesting from a historical perspective.

The usual "military" style of packet is as the "red print on buff paper" that you have on the other packet of .303 (Mk.IV Ball if I see it correctly), and there were usually 10 rounds in the packet. Because a lot of the NRA's competitions were "1 sighter and 7 to count", they usually asked the W.O. to supply the ammo in packets of 8, and it is possible that your packet is of this type."

Joe
 
I have similar partially blackened rounds for the 1904 and 1906 Imperial meeting and a label for I think the 1904 rounds. I will try to dig it out and post it.

Regards
TonyE
 
ydnum303 said:
Hi Joe,

This looks like the French 18mm Tabatiere, which was used in the M 1867 Infantry Rifle and others, used by second-line troops. It has a rolled brass body, covered with paper. Probably made by Gevelot, as there is a "G" on the primer.

Nice looking lot of .303s in your previous post; - any chance of seeing the headstamps, please?

Roger.
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Hi,
I totaly agree with the 18 mm Tabatiere 18.6 x 35 R Tabatierre M1867 with a Gevelot primer
regards Hans
 
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