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current US frag grenades and question

blu97

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Does any body knows which fragmentation grenades are currently in service with the US army.
And has someone more info on this handgrenade which I found in a US Pub. It is called HAWK which stands for Hand Activated Warhead Kinetic Kill (what a name) is this a new grenade for the us army?, thanks.
 

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Bad ass looking grenade there blu, but I can't find any information on it anywhere including search engines. Makes me wonder if it isn't some sort of novelty item?? Was it in a publication or in a Pub? Me bad..... Dano
 
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I believe that someone was having some fun with that Image and the (HAWK) Name. At any rate it is defiantly not a US Issued Grenade.

The M67 is still the Standard US Issue Fragmentation Grenade.
 

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Tend to agree with the fun name theory -
These are similar I think -

Fast Acting Reflective Tracer
Thermal Warhead (Anti – Tank)
Armour Piercing Explosive Squash Head Incendiary Tracer
Target Obscuring Smoke Screening Evasion Round
Anti Riot Suppression Equipment
Projectile (Underwater) Non Kinetic
Tactical Underslung Recoilless Discharger
 
A few years back, I saw a picture of a member of SEAL Team 6 reacting to an attempted assination of Karzyd (sp?). He was carrying at least one DM 51 on his belt. He had probably more in his tan vest but I couldn't tell for sure.

This makes me believe that at least the SEALS may have had them for awhile. This would also make me believe that SFOD-OD has a few themselves.

Just an observation.

Mark
 
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Tend to agree with the fun name theory -
These are similar I think -

Fast Acting Reflective Tracer
Thermal Warhead (Anti – Tank)
Armour Piercing Explosive Squash Head Incendiary Tracer
Target Obscuring Smoke Screening Evasion Round
Anti Riot Suppression Equipment
Projectile (Underwater) Non Kinetic
Tactical Underslung Recoilless Discharger



Hahaha, made my day!

And yes, looks like a poor attempt at Photoshop.
 
Eric,
I've seen the same doc, I'll ask some questions today and see if a friend knows anything about it.
 
Thanks jeff, and it realy is no joke.
And is the M-67 the only frag grebade in use in the states?.
 
Blu,
If you count the various frag grenades that might be so. Cannot tell for sure but SEAL Team 6 were using the DM 51's while in Iraq. The only other grenades that we have current are of the "chemical" type. These would be: CN DM (yes, they are current and are in the state of Ohio's munitions stores in Columbus),CS-M7A3's, Thermate, and a store of MkII's are found in allot of state's armories. Also, chemical smoke in different colors, ABC-B25A1 and ABC-M25A2's. Mostly used now are contarcted out to companies such as CTS and ALS for some chemical types.

NOTE: The DM was very hard to find out about it being in Ohio's Armories.

Mark
 
Eric, I spoke to a couple of people, both are also aware of it's relatively recent appearance in official documents, but neither knows any more than you do. One theory offered however, was that a while back there was a surge of new documents, with the improved photos, etc. Among these new documents were several items that never got beyond testing, but documents were prepared anyway by/though Picatinny. Their theory is that this was the case with the Hawk; a prototype that was later dropped.

As far as the grenade's construction, the photo was clearly photoshopped to remove the background, this is commonly done for technical publications. When doing this, if the background is particularly cluttered or of a similar color however, one has to be very careful while photoshopping or they remove parts of the ordnance item along with the background. This is most common if the munition is handled and photographed by one person and photoshopped by someone back in an office. I would guess that this may be part of the explanation for some of the curious construction appearance, as we both know that this photo is not a "joke".

Not the answers that anyone wants, but the best I've been able to get so far. I'll let you know if I hear anything more.
 
Thanks a lot V-40 for the anwers, I am updating our publications which are used for teaching new EOD students, there was a lot of american grenades in it which,I think, we will never encounter in the field so thanks.
Also thanks JO, I suspected something like that and now how it works.
Is your contractor back from holiday out thaiti, you payed for it, and started on the bombartorium yet?.
 
Eric, I spoke to a couple of people, both are also aware of it's relatively recent appearance in official documents, but neither knows any more than you do. One theory offered however, was that a while back there was a surge of new documents, with the improved photos, etc. Among these new documents were several items that never got beyond testing, but documents were prepared anyway by/though Picatinny. Their theory is that this was the case with the Hawk; a prototype that was later dropped.

As far as the grenade's construction, the photo was clearly photoshopped to remove the background, this is commonly done for technical publications. When doing this, if the background is particularly cluttered or of a similar color however, one has to be very careful while photoshopping or they remove parts of the ordnance item along with the background. This is most common if the munition is handled and photographed by one person and photoshopped by someone back in an office. I would guess that this may be part of the explanation for some of the curious construction appearance, as we both know that this photo is not a "joke".

Not the answers that anyone wants, but the best I've been able to get so far. I'll let you know if I hear anything more.
I totally rescind my earlier comments on this HAWK grenade. I thought it was so obvious that the image had been "doctored" it had to be fake. I'm here to learn and I learn something new every day....Dano
 
Dano, no harm done. The problem is that BLU-97 is referring to a document that is not in general circulation, but comes from a general group of somewhat restricted documents that have high reliability among the EOD community. If we were presented with the same photo out of context, we might have the same reaction as you and others. Instead, knowing the source of the photo we have to give it a higher level of credibility and look for other explanations.
 
i hope some one comes up with a good pic of this grenade as im in the same boat as dano:tinysmile_hmm_t:. theres an old saying that springs to mind "look before you leap":tinysmile_angry2_t:
cheers, paul.
 
Friends,

the "hawk" grenade is real one! It was a candidate for the XM96 Lightweight Fragmentation Grenade Contest. The others candidates are:
the Diehl DM61 and the Arges Mini. The winner is General Dynamics OTS grenade (a copy of the korean KAI K413 mini grenade).
 

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