Is this bogus or real ?

[charley777]

Greetings....can anyone tell me if this round is real? The rim diameter is 36mm. The case is 73mm long and overall length is 150mm. So it must be about 30mm calibre. I have certainly never come across anything like this in any lists. There is something about the crimping that looks "wrong" to me. On the other hand, the projectile looks real enough. There are no stampings or markings anywhere apparently. It is on an auction site and i am wondering about bidding. That aside, i would be interested to know what it is. Anyone have a clue? Thanks very much

 

[dano1917]

Hell, looks real good to me. I know nil about these rounds but know what I like, and I sure like that one. No headstamp even????? Dano
addition 12/3/10 I said I liked not that it wasn't bogus. No harm, no foul..He he.......Dano

 

[US-Subs]

Offhand it looks like the nose and rotating band have been re-done.

 

[Chris 42 RQ]

Decidedly dubious IMO.

The rate of twist would worry me as well as the general look of the item and as such I personally would not chance it-my pennies worth

 

[Falcon]

It looks like it could possibly be a Crayford projectile.

 

[2pounder]

bogus

I'm with Chris on the rate of twist, rifling is at too steep an angle, compare it with any calibre. At about 30mm what could it be? from its style it looks WWI and 30mm was not really around then. I'd save my money. 2pr

 

[Chris 42 RQ]

40 mm Crayford

It looks like it could possibly be a Crayford projectile.

If I remember correctly Falcon a "Crayford" is 40mm calibre-I could be wrong however as this WW1 stuff is not my bag.
Still think this is a "wrong un" due to the angle of the "Rifling"-much too severe to be real.

 

[Dronic69]

Hi Chris,

Yes the "Crayford" is 1.59" = 40mm.

IMO if it is "cheap" enough I would buy it!

Why?

I have passed up too many items in the past simply because the item doesn't "conform" to the norm.....then discovering years later that it was a super rare item, with little known or documented.

Here's another interesting case for sale

http://www.specialistauctions.com/auctiondetails.php?id=1266294


Cheers
Drew

 

[Chris 42 RQ]

Fully agree with you.

Hi Chris,

Yes the "Crayford" is 1.59" = 40mm.

IMO if it is "cheap" enough I would buy it!

Why?

I have passed up too many items in the past simply because the item doesn't "conform" to the norm.....then discovering years later that it was a super rare item, with little known or documented.

Here's another interesting case for sale

http://www.specialistauctions.com/auctiondetails.php?id=1266294


Cheers
Drew

Hi Drew and I hear where you are coming from with buying "oddballs" as I myself have been given a fair few really odd items (one of which is in the "identification" section recently) but a few items you can take one look at and be sure it is a made up item as the maker got something so wrong it would be impossible in reality-the driving band engraving on this one fits that criteria for me.
None the less, good hunting for those elusive items-they are out there!

 

[Dronic69]

Hi Chris,

Yep the driving band does look somewhat "sus", but being "narrow" focus these days, the fuse was the object of interest here....although hard to say from the photo - really need better pics or inspect in hand.

Sometimes rare "bits" just find themselves attached to "trench art" objects!

Those 2 x 1880's 9cm fuses that I posted a while back are perfect examples of this!

Happy hunting!
Cheers
Drew

 

[charley777]

Thanks for your views

I did not bid on this item. The "rifling" definitely looked wrong to me but i have only been collecting/studying for a few years and this forum has some real experts as well as a very broad knowledge base. So it never hurts to ask ! Also the "crimping" looked more like a couple of grooves lathed in . In fact no-one placed a bid (the starting bid was high). If it had been just a few bucks i might have gone for it as the fuze looked interesting. Cheers...

 

[charley777]

"QUOTE

I have passed up too many items in the past simply because the item doesn't "conform" to the norm.....then discovering years later that it was a super rare item, with little known or documented.

Here's another interesting case for sale

http://www.specialistauctions.com/auctiondetails.php?id=1266294


Cheers
Drew[/QUOTE]"

Funny you should cite that 40mm case ......because i bought it LOL ..Happy with it too.

 

[SG500]

Hi Chris,


I have passed up too many items in the past simply because the item doesn't "conform" to the norm.....then discovering years later that it was a super rare item, with little known or documented.

That's half the fun of collecting, reading the books, doing the research so when one comes along you recognise it and get a bargain. I find I don't get an incredible bargain too often but they do come along - a 6pr6cwt case for 20 and a 20mm Aden for 16, both from ebay in the last 3 years :tinysmile_hmm_t: - both were difficult to recognise because the seller had posted rubbish photos.
Dave.