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Thought you might like to see the suitcase display cases I take to occasional gun and militaria shows in an attempt to find more goodies for the collection. I refer to them as "bait" as they are used to go fishing for new ordnance.

These were originally assembled about 25 years ago using normal inert grenades, primarily to take to the old Great Western gun show in Los Angeles twice a year. It resulted in lots of good leads and new items for the collection. Sometime in the early 1990s, California passed a law that made possession of empty grenades (that might be reloadable) illegal. It was supposed to be directed at street gang members who were reloading them, but caused a lot of concern among collectors, too.

Rather than stop taking them to the shows, or risk having them seized by the police there, I decided to alter the display by filling the cases with cutaway items. I figured that would remove the possibility of the grenades being reloadable. I never got bothered by the Police again, until the show ended in about 2000. In fact, the cutaways made the display much more interesting to look at, just as BOCN member pzgr 40 always says. I only cut two or three items with all the rest being original factory or arsenal display items.

They are getting a bit tired and in need of some revision so I snapped these pictures at the Reno, Nevada gun show last weekend to remember the old version before I start changing things around. I'm tempted to have everyone guess what all the items are but there are a few that I can't even identify. But feel free to ask about anything that interests you and I'll see if I can fill in the blanks.

Rick
 

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Thought you might like to see the suitcase display cases I take to occasional gun and militaria shows in an attempt to find more goodies for the collection. I refer to them as "bait" as they are used to go fishing for new ordnance.

These were originally assembled about 25 years ago using normal inert grenades, primarily to take to the old Great Western gun show in Los Angeles twice a year. It resulted in lots of good leads and new items for the collection. Sometime in the early 1990s, California passed a law that made possession of empty grenades (that might be reloadable) illegal. It was supposed to be directed at street gang members who were reloading them, but caused a lot of concern among collectors, too.

Rather than stop taking them to the shows, or risk having them seized by the police there, I decided to alter the display by filling the cases with cutaway items. I figured that would remove the possibility of the grenades being reloadable. I never got bothered by the Police again, until the show ended in about 2000. In fact, the cutaways made the display much more interesting to look at, just as BOCN member pzgr 40 always says. I only cut two or three items with all the rest being original factory or arsenal display items.

They are getting a bit tired and in need of some revision so I snapped these pictures at the Reno, Nevada gun show last weekend to remember the old version before I start changing things around. I'm tempted to have everyone guess what all the items are but there are a few that I can't even identify. But feel free to ask about anything that interests you and I'll see if I can fill in the blanks.

Rick
Those are some nice ones,I like your T 13 and the early U.S. smoke
.I would like to see the new one,when its done.
vinny :tinysmile_classes_t
 
Which ones can you not identify?
Regards, DJH

Well, in the assortment of 40mm low velocity rounds, there is a white one in the center of the bottom row. It has a one-piece molded rubber projectile. The one to its right has a black rubber projo with white polypropylene sabot pedals. I think both are early AAI experimental baton rounds but don't have anything tangible on that.

And in the other row of low velocity 40mm rounds, the cutaway between the MBA beanbag round and the XM576E2 shot cartridge is a mystery. It has an olive drab plastic case and steel ball/plastic matrix projectile. I think it might be European but haven't seen another like it. Any idea?
 
a fantastic selection. thanks for showing it. any chance of a few pics of the dutch dooshandgranaat?:tinysmile_shy_t:
cheers, paul.
 
What are the two grenades in the third picture on the extreme right?

The bottom one looks like it has .22 rounds in it.
 
What are the two grenades in the third picture on the extreme right?

The bottom one looks like it has .22 rounds in it.


The one on the left with the ping pong ball in it is another AAI experimental riot control cartridge. The ball is surrounded by 4 black plastic sabot sections, one of which is missing for display purposes.

I'm not sure if it ever had an official name but a company salesman told me they called it a "snot" round. Not sure how well that will translate around the world but that's the gooey stuff you blow out of your nose. The nickname came from the usual filling of the ball, dyed glycerine, although they were also filled with liquid CS and other chemicals.

If you were an unruly rioter shot with one of these, the ping pong ball would give you an nasty kinetic energy smack and mark you for the authorities with the slimy glycerin dye.

The other round was an early attempt at a multiple projectile cartridge, a 1966 program to develop a reloadable volly fire device that sent eighteen .22 long rifle bullets down range in a single shot. The one above it was a one-shot throw away version made in 1965.

Ultimately, both types were found to be too expensive to make and the Army adopted the XM576E1 shot round with a cheap plastic sabot and 9 pellets of 00 buckshot as the standard multiple projectile cartridge.
 
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Wow wow wow

Great stuff Rick, especially like how they're arranged in the cases for show. Very nice cuts on the sectioning. Thanks for sharing with us other members. I would iagine you attract some positive attention when taking to the shows...Cheers....Dano
 
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