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Need help to identify these miscellaneous shrapnel cutaways.

First : Dutch 8cm Granaatkartets. Fuze No 3 tb.
DJH shared a cutaway on wk2ammo.


Second (75x267) is a Dutch 7.5cm Brisantgranaatkartets (75mm shrapnel with HE head). Fuze is No12 tsb.
I'm interested by a photo of the external part of the shell, the other side.
TIA

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