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Trench Mortar

jvollenberg

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Can anyone ID this trench mortar ...

DIA: 240MM // 10INCH
Length: 1.02M

Joe
 

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Might be - British ML 9.45 inch Heavy Trench Mortar - Flying Pig.

TimG
 
Hello,


Might be french 240L Model 1916 trench mortar : (the book is available on gallica.bnf.fr)

FR_PRO_240.jpg cover.jpg

Regards,

S.
 
The British 9.45", the French 240mm and the German 24cm Flugelmine are very similar in appearance.
However, I'm pretty sure as Tim said, that this is the 9.45" trench mortar, filled with 91lbs of ammatol.

The country of origin can be worked out via the way the fins were constructed and attached to the body.

Cheers

Pete
 
Pete,
I know a Belgian that would argue with that. We were looking at three on the shelf at Poelkapelle, the only external difference was the fuze. One had German, one French, one UK. There were variations here and there, but he was always adamant that they were identical.
 
Hello,

French and British are very similar (tail with rivets). Same cylindrical part on top.

It is necessary to look at the fuze thread to make quickly the difference.
And usually very big rivets for french fins (smaller for british bomb).

German 24Fl Flugelmine in not made with a cylindrical part on top. The only prominent part on top is a small adapter.
German tail used to be made with welded fins.

All fuzes threads are different

Regards

GB
9.2 british.jpg


FRENCH
240 french.jpg



GERMAN
24cm flmine german.jpg
 
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It could be interesting to know how a similar munition from 1916 ended in both opponents' arsenal !

Who is the original inventor of this weapon and it's ammunition ?
 
Hi,
to add confusion,
here italian differnt models of bombarda da 240mm
bombarde 240.jpg

I think the key will be the adapter for the fuze. I'm pretty sure not italian.

regards
 
Pete,
I know a Belgian that would argue with that. We were looking at three on the shelf at Poelkapelle, the only external difference was the fuze. One had German, one French, one UK. There were variations here and there, but he was always adamant that they were identical.

It was a Belgian that told me that! ;-)

As Minenaz said, the tail rivets are different between the British and French versions and the German doesn't have the lip on the fuze well.

I'll take some pictures tomorrow and post them if allowed...........

Pete
 
Close ups of the fins and their attachment ...

Joe
 

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Here's a series of pictures comparing the British, German and French trench mortars.

Picture 1 - British 9.45"

Picture 2 - British 9.45" Front

Picture 3 - British 9.45" Tail

British 9.45 Inch Trench Mortar.jpgBritish 9.45 Inch Mortar Nose.jpgBritish 9.45 Inch Mortar Tail.jpg




Picture 4 - German 24cm

Picture 5 - German 24cm Front

Picture 6 - German 24cm Tail

German 24cm Flugalmine edited.jpgGerman 24cm Flugalmine Nose edited.jpgGerman 24cm Flugalmine Tail.jpg


Picture 7 - French 240mm

Picture 8 - French 240mm Front

Picture 9 - French 240mm Tail
French 240mm Trench Mortar edited.jpgFrench 240mm Mortar Fuze Well.jpgFrench 240mm Mortar Tail.jpg
 
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