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two unknown formerly French 75DEC shell casings

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Oldman56

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Years ago, I bought on the fleamarket at Liege two, for me unknown shell casings
Both are shortened, formerly French shells casings for their canon 75DEC.
Their sizes are 75x280R, the original French 75DEC shell casing is 75x350R., and they have (I think) Cyrillic marks on the base.
They are shortened at the top and the neck length is about 35mm., the original French 75DEC shell casing has a neck length of 45mm.
The rim at the base of the shell casing is thinckened up with an extra ring soldered.
For details, see my pictures.
My question is: from witch country and gun are these shell casings come from?
What's the story behind these changes?
Thank you.
 

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Oldman56 said:
Years ago, I bought on the fleamarket at Liege two, for me unknown shell casings
Both are shortened, formerly French shells casings for their canon 75DEC.
Their sizes are 75x280R, the original French 75DEC shell casing is 75x350R., and they have (I think) Cyrillic marks on the base.
They are shortened at the top and the neck length is about 35mm., the original French 75DEC shell casing has a neck length of 45mm.
The rim at the base of the shell casing is thinckened up with an extra ring soldered.
For details, see my pictures.
My question is: from witch country and gun are these shell casings come from?
What's the story behind these changes?
Thank you.
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These have been modified and supplied to the Belgians in ww1. They were altered to fit the Belgian 75mm field guns.
I have had one in the past.
 
Those cases are adapted by Bulgaria. They have lead in the bottom rim and a Bulgarian primer. Should measure 75x282DR87. Pretty common in Europe.
 
Mine had a Belgian cannister (what was left of it) in it. So the primer will tell you where it went. Both counties might
use the same German export 75. But France wouldn't be helping Bulgaria in ww1 ~
I would have posted it here at the time, but I can't find an image of it now ?
 
I find it interesting that the headstamp shows REMINGTON UMC and French stampings.
Did France also use re-cycled cases and stamp new marks on them as shown?
 
@Gspragge: There is no link with Belgium, this shell case is unique for Bulgaria and easily recognized due to the lead band in the rim. As for the French would not help the Bulgarians, correct. But the date on the shell case is not the modification date, and the primers are not dated either. You can find a lot of modified German and French cases adapted by Bulgaria (mainly German 7,7 cm FK96 n/A and 7,5 cm K16, and this French 75 mm DEC), but without date markings no way to tell. Sometimes cases or primers have a 2-digit year mark, but I do not see any on these shell cases. In my former collection most adapted cases like this had a late pre-war date, like 1938 or 1939.

@Ron: No, late war the USA made 75 DEC cases for France. Same happened in WW2, many examples exist. My favorite is 8,8 cm Bofors submarine shell cases for the Dutch submarines that where able to flee from German occupation in WW2.
 
Hoeksel said:
@Gspragge: There is no link with Belgium, this shell case is unique for Bulgaria and easily recognized due to the lead band in the rim. As for the French would not help the Bulgarians, correct. But the date on the shell case is not the modification date, and the primers are not dated either. You can find a lot of modified German and French cases adapted by Bulgaria (mainly German 7,7 cm FK96 n/A and 7,5 cm K16, and this French 75 mm DEC), but without date markings no way to tell. Sometimes cases or primers have a 2-digit year mark, but I do not see any on these shell cases. In my former collection most adapted cases like this had a late pre-war date, like 1938 or 1939.

@Ron: No, late war the USA made 75 DEC cases for France. Same happened in WW2, many examples exist. My favorite is 8,8 cm Bofors submarine shell cases for the Dutch submarines that where able to flee from German occupation in WW2.
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HOEKSEL,
do you know in wich guns cases were used? I guess for krupp and schneider ww1 guns?
regards
 
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