Unknown Cartridge Case 15cm French?

[John8]

Hi, hopefully you guys can give me some information about this cartridge.

Diameter top 150 mm (15cm), has a small bottle neck
Height bottom to top : 238 mm, seems to be the original dimensions

The bottom is marked with a number at 12 a clock
At 6 a clock, it is marked with TLH (could be Tréfileries et Laminoirs du Havre Four Usine de Gravite, what should be a French factory)

No year or other data

Someone knows this one?

 

[Hoeksel]

It is a 149,1 mm case of original length (well, 237 mm). I believe, although it is stamped TLH, used much in Belgium (where they are found often). In existence are Schneider marked cases (French) and Austro-Hungarian cases, typically dated 1914-1918. Rim diameter is 170 mm.

 

[John8]

Thank you Hoeksel!

I'm impressed by the knowledge here!
Do you know what cannon uses this case? I googled for Belgian cannons and found a couple of possibilities :
(source : http://www.passioncompassion1418.com/Fichiers/Fiches_Belgique.pdf)

- Obusier 149mm M1909 Krupp
- Obusier 150mm M1912 Schneider
- Obusier de 150mm M1888 Krupp
- Obusier 155mm court M1917 Schneider
... other?

I'm a bit confused (being a beginner at this minefield) Schneider being French design and Krupp German.

 

[fert]

Hello,
from what I know, TLH means Trafilerie de Le Havre. Case match with the russian schneider mod 09 case exept for the mouth. TLH case has a little shoulder that reduce the mouth diameter.
Maybe an attempt to use in Russian guns 149mm shells?
best regards

 

[John8]

The rim diameter is indeed 170 mm!
Below are some pictures of the shell (maybe that helps)

It is a 149,1 mm case of original length (well, 237 mm). I believe, although it is stamped TLH, used much in Belgium (where they are found often). In existence are Schneider marked cases (French) and Austro-Hungarian cases, typically dated 1914-1918. Rim diameter is 170 mm.

 

[Hoeksel]

The Russian 152 mm Schneider M/09 case has a 158 mm mouth and 261 mm length, I do not see how that would explain this shouldered case that even after firing is 149,1 mm.

 

[Alpini]

it's the case for the "Obusier 149mm M1909 Krupp" (Obusier de 15cm 1909)

 

[John8]

Thank you for the identification.

Always nice to know what you have

 

[fert]

Hello,
I enclose some pic of my russian 152mm;
1st is what i though was the mod 09 schneider, 155x238 R168mm identical to the case posted except for the mouth
2nd german made 152mm 261mm high R170mm
3rd russian 152mm mod 38, 155x306 R 168mm



best regards