WW2 Soviet RG42 & F1 Training Grenades

[Kilroy was Here]

Here are some pics of some very interesting Soviet WW2 training grenades I have added to my collection. I have not seen these types before.
Do other members have one of these, or seen before?

The little Rg42 is the same weight as a RG42, and is quite crude, and field made. The F1 weighs about 750 grams, 100 grams lighter than an empty F1 with fuze, that I have weighed to compare. The F1 is very similar to a Japanese trainer I also have.

I was told these 2 trainers were found at an Old site of a Soviet training camp somewhere in Poland.

Regards, Steve

 

[Kilroy was Here]

Bump

Bump......No one has seen these before? or maybe has more info?
Where are all my Russian grenade friends? :wink:

 

[Kilroy was Here]

No comments or info?

 

[Kilroy was Here]

WWII F1 - RG-42 Practice grenades

Are these two WW2 Russian practice grenades really so common to see that for 6 months now, no one has made any comments about them?

good, bad, ugly?

Is this an invisible thread maybe?

Hello.......is anyone out there?

Hello........come in headquarters, over and out

 

[wichitaslumlord]

I SEE YOU! I have never seen a practice F-1 quite like this and the small RG-42 is truely unique. These are very nice finds with a great provenance and I would be proud to have them in my collection.
Your knowledge in this aera far exceeds mine so I am afraid that I have no solid information to offer. Pat

 

[Kilroy was Here]

I SEE YOU! I have never seen a practice F-1 quite like this and the small RG-42 is truely unique. These are very nice finds with a great provenance and I would be proud to have them in my collection.
Your knowledge in this aera far exceeds mine so I am afraid that I have no solid information to offer. Pat

WE HAVE A REPLY!!!! :congrats: YIPPEE!!! The thread is not invisible!!

Thanks for taking a few moments to reply Pat.
They are unique grenades, you're right. I was hoping maybe some of the Russian or foreign friends would have a little info, or maybe another example.
The little RG42 is for sure field made, so maybe not many of these, or much info on it. It's a cute little grenade. I really like it.

I would think though, there should be maybe a few more of these hollow F1's floating around somewhere, but maybe not.

Regards, Steve

 

[Grenademan2005]

Hi:
It is not the first time that I see a practice RG42 like that, but the F1 I never have seen one before. Also, I missed this thread, but what more info do you think could be added here? You already have more info with place of location than the rest of us :hmmmm:.

 

[Kilroy was Here]

Hi:
It is not the first time that I see a practice RG42 like that, but the F1 I never have seen one before. Also, I missed this thread, but what more info do you think could be added here? You already have more info with place of location than the rest of us :hmmmm:.

:hmmmm: hmmmmm, maybe something like.... Hi:
It is not the first time that I see a practice RG42 like that,

or.... but the F1 I never have seen one before.

I maybe think you are right.... that I already have more info about these than the rest.
I was hoping maybe I could learn more, like maybe the F1 was made at a Red Army factory, or special place or time period etc.


Regards, Esteban

 

[jhonni \]

On the first photo by Kilroy, RG42 wich made in field-workshop (field-repair). This model's is abundant on Ukraine region's. By the few days ago i saw it on Ukrainian digger's forum. The second model of "F1" is a rare and i saw it once.
Not bad Kilroy! Not bad..

Eugene.

 

[Kilroy was Here]

On the first photo by Kilroy, RG42 wich made in field-workshop (field-repair). This model's is abundant on Ukraine region's. By the few days ago i saw it on Ukrainian digger's forum. The second model of "F1" is a rare and i saw it once.
Not bad Kilroy! Not bad..

Eugene.

:shakehands: Eugene....the superstar :star: you have arrived..... :congrats:
I know you like Soviet grenades and odd items, and I was actually thinking that you might have been one of the first to respond to this thread with info 6 months ago, when I first posted .......but you did not..........haha Nobody did.

OK, If now you, and also the others have not seen many of these F1 "throwing practice" grenades like this, than they must be a little uncommon, and not a large factory made item. I guess another nice lucky find. Thanks for the info and taking a look.

 

[jhonni \]

Thank you for the good photos!!

P.S.
I have a many work Kilroy and communicate with many forum's in my short evening's...
............
Much isn't described in the literature (manual's). Only digger's and collectors can answer on many question's (We are have a mind, experience and wish to study our find's)
All of us together are the big force!

Cheers!

Eugene.

 

[Kilroy was Here]

Yes Eugene..........All of us together are "The Big Force"

 

[Zorro]

Hi Steve,

congratulation on your russian F1-Practice! I am since weeks looking for an evidence / report on this type of grenade, and yours is the only I recovered and comes close
to the grenade that I am trying to identify.
Ive got the below shown F1-throwing dummy, which was found in a Training-Area in Polen. The area was from WW2 on for long years occupied by the Russian Military
and later the Polish military used this area. According to all information I could collect the grenade is russian, below the Polish-green-paint there are many spots which
are still shiny gloss black and noone of my Polish collector-friends did ever see this in the use of the Polish army.
From grenade-body it is the typical "end-of WW2-shape" with a flat base where you still see remains of the prefragmentation.
By the way after the cleaning id did turn out, that what you can see on pic 1 & 2 as a dot, is a hole for a safety-pin.
So I believe that you have a more early pattern.

Regards,

Ralf

 

[Zorro]

SOME Add-ONs:
-My grenade is a hollow-cast grenade-dummy, where everything is cast as single piece (comparable as the US Mk1A1)
- the grenade has only one opening (in the bottom)
- grenade doesnt have any markings
- implied fuze does suggest Koveshnikov-Type

Sorry for the spelling-ERROR: Poland is correct, not Polen.


Cheers,


Ralf

 

[grenades]

Hello Steve,
I miss this thread tooSorry
Grenade developed in 1939 and joined the Red Army at the beginning of the 1940, after the outbreak of war, from June 1941 was not produced and used it until the exhaustion of stock pyrotechnic.
The grenade was intended to study the inning defensive grenades on accuracy and range, with effects that imitate or use ammunition. Apart from the impact on the psyche of a trained Gunner, in order to prepare him to acute grenade, the essential benefit of the use of this type of imitator, was to reduce the cost of training soldiers. Imitatora design allowed for multiple use, each time with a call to roar and smoke from the explosion, which destroyed the massive crust .
Sorry for translation-google
Zorro typy of F1 is defenetly russian!Nice finde!

 

[grenades]

My lates finde.Russian training grenade.This is one piece of metal.Its a little smallet han normal F1 and a little more heavy.