Nice rounds, can you take some close ups of the 20mm on the left please, first impression is a 20/30 Aden but the neck looks too short. Measurements would be great also if possible.
Thanks.
Dave.
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30mm rounds for Apache
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Nice rounds, can you take some close ups of the 20mm on the left please, first impression is a 20/30 Aden but the neck looks too short. Measurements would be great also if possible.
Thanks.
Dave.
Thanks for the info Marty although i aqm not sure Janes will appriciate you scanning and posting that.
Lou
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Took a bit but the 30mm came out of the case.Someone used locktite. Just about knocked myself in the chin,again:xd: .SALESMEN PLEASE!!! Just because the holes are close in size dosent mean you should force the issue,and glue them!!!Someones chin or forehead may be at stake!!!!!
So now Ive two homeless "Apache"TP projectiles.I heard someone had spares and might be able to pony one or two up.Hmmm
Going to hang on to the grooved case till I get it figured out,been giving away to much x stuff lately.I know a guy that wants it,he has dibs.
Now its off to Wickpedia for me,to do some learnin!!
Thanks Haz
Lou,
You are always welcome. Here are a couple of hints that might help with your "studying". First, be very wary of Wikipedia. It is often written by uninformed with nothing better to do. Anyone can write trash for wikipedia.
Best method: Go to Google or whatever search engine you prefer. key in the M number of the round or projectile you want info on. For instance, a search for M788 brings up:
http://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/m788.htm
fas.org has a huge amount of ordnance info. If you go to the address listed above, you see the info on that round. If you look at the bottom of the page, you will see that the next level up their menu is 30mm ammo. If you click on that it will take you back one menu level to show all the 30mm stuff the 30 X 113 and the 30 X 173. Going back a level in menu will take you to land warfare, where you can go down a different path to tank ammo for instance. Always just try to see what you get by typing in the M number of round, projectile, case, fuze, etc.
Good hunting.
You are always welcome. Here are a couple of hints that might help with your "studying". First, be very wary of Wikipedia. It is often written by uninformed with nothing better to do. Anyone can write trash for wikipedia.
Best method: Go to Google or whatever search engine you prefer. key in the M number of the round or projectile you want info on. For instance, a search for M788 brings up:
http://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/m788.htm
fas.org has a huge amount of ordnance info. If you go to the address listed above, you see the info on that round. If you look at the bottom of the page, you will see that the next level up their menu is 30mm ammo. If you click on that it will take you back one menu level to show all the 30mm stuff the 30 X 113 and the 30 X 173. Going back a level in menu will take you to land warfare, where you can go down a different path to tank ammo for instance. Always just try to see what you get by typing in the M number of round, projectile, case, fuze, etc.
Good hunting.
Weasel Pilot
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Based on my research for my Desert Storm book, I believe the main problem with this ammunition was actually the feed mechanism, which wasn't robust enough to deal with the friction caused by a full load of rounds moving through the system. Jams were the frequent result which some units overcame by accepting less than full loads.
Dave Mason
Dave Mason
Weasel Pilot
Well-Known Member
Should have waited on the previous post and included this...so much for efficiency!
For more on the M230's problems see: Richard Davis, GAO/NSIAD 92-146, General Accounting Office, 1992
available at GAO.gov
Dave Mason
For more on the M230's problems see: Richard Davis, GAO/NSIAD 92-146, General Accounting Office, 1992
available at GAO.gov
Dave Mason
Hi Dave ,
i've got this listed and drawn by R.Leiendecker as a "30/20 mm USN Experimental".
Case is a brass 30 x 126mm with a 20mm adapter sweated at top.the proj is a standard m55a2 TP,just a tight fit.
listed in 'Big Bore Ammunition' as "20 x 141B 20mm exp.,2pc. case 1974 USA".
I guess its a concept dummy ,any ideas?
cheeers Bob.
Tony Williams
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Some nice rounds shown here.
A representative inert M789 HEDP is high on my list of wants, but they do indeed seem rare on this side of the Pond. I have a selection of Defa and Aden rounds from various countries (and also an unusual Swiss 25mm experimental version - see the pic below) but I've never seen one of the helo rounds for sale.
A representative inert M789 HEDP is high on my list of wants, but they do indeed seem rare on this side of the Pond. I have a selection of Defa and Aden rounds from various countries (and also an unusual Swiss 25mm experimental version - see the pic below) but I've never seen one of the helo rounds for sale.
Drooooolll, oh that one is nice, I've not heard of that one before, any chance of a decent photo of the top part of it please?
Dave.
Sorry Tony I'm being a bit thick here, what's the "helo" round?Some nice rounds shown here.
A representative inert M789 HEDP is high on my list of wants, but they do indeed seem rare on this side of the Pond. I have a selection of Defa and Aden rounds from various countries (and also an unusual Swiss 25mm experimental version - see the pic below) but I've never seen one of the helo rounds for sale.
Dave.
Tony Williams
Well-Known Member
That's right - the LW series with light-alloy cases. AFAIK these are only used in the M230 Chain Gun, which is only fitted to the AH-64 Apache attack helo.