Elaz 17A variant

[satan18]

Another parcel arrived from Germany with a reasonable
17A 1940 pattern all ally body with the plastic lower inner clock case.

These were not used for that long as the plastic cases were prone for splitting up and there for jamming the clocks,so they reverted back to
ally inner cases.


This example has a bit of a pitted top but nice enough body and is marked

ELAZ 17A bmv 1941.

 

[Madbomber31]

Nice one Phil.

 

[waffenamt]

Mmmmm!! Very nice old pal.
I see its a straight 'A' variant unmodified judging by the lack of a * mark. Has the dots prior to the ELAZ stamps which tell me its for cold-weather use.

Good to see plastic clocks nicely stamped. Its deffo a nice pickup,well done!

cheers

waff

 

[Madbomber31]

Yes there whas one last year at beltring but whas to late again :sad:

 

[waffenamt]

Yes there whas one last year at beltring but whas to late again :sad:

Ooooh! i dont recall that one buddy?

Was it as bonny as Phils?

best

waff

 

[Madbomber31]

Its this one in here :angel:

 

[waffenamt]

:tinysmile_fatgrin_t Ah!!! yes,i remember the one now!!

Wow,thats some cabinet in that room buddy.

best

waff

 

[butterfly]

Nice varient Phil. This is a new one to me - do you know how long they were in production before they changed back to the ally clock cases?

Also I know there was a plastic version of the Zus 40 - preceeding the zinc version. Were the plastic version of these changed for similar reasons, or was it simply progress in manufacturing ?

regards Kev

 

[satan18]

Mmmmm!! Very nice old pal.
I see its a straight 'A' variant unmodified judging by the lack of a * mark. Has the dots prior to the ELAZ stamps which tell me its for cold-weather use.

Good to see plastic clocks nicely stamped. Its deffo a nice pickup,well done!

cheers

waff

Cheers Mate:smile:

The thing i like is that the plastic case isnt shattered which is nice.
Bold stampings which must pre date 17a*.

Best phil, PS nice 2L:tinysmile_fatgrin_t

 

[satan18]

Nice varient Phil. This is a new one to me - do you know how long they were in production before they changed back to the ally clock cases?

Also I know there was a plastic version of the Zus 40 - preceeding the zinc version. Were the plastic version of these changed for similar reasons, or was it simply progress in manufacturing ?

regards Kev

Thanks Kev.

Not to sure about how long it was used for but like the Zus 40 in plastic i think at first it was an economy measure which was prone to failure,thus costing not only the items made but also the bombs failure to work.

There was the 1940 pattern ally bodied fuse which went into production in 1940 then i suspect the steel bottomed version known as the Emergency pattern which also came in around 1940,then this one in 1941 and after that the 17a*

There was a lot of variants in a short space of time.

Best phil

 

[satan18]

Nice one Phil.

Thanks Jack:smile:

I like these plastic case ones as not many around now.


Best phil

 

[butterfly]

Cheers Phil for making things a little clearer.

regards Kev

 

[SG500]

Another parcel arrived from germany with a reasonable
17A 1940 pattern all ally body with the plastic lower inner clock case.

These were not used for that long as the plastic cases were prone for splitting up and there for jamming the clocks,so they reverted back to
ally inner cases.


This example has a bit of a pitted top but nice enough body and is marked

ELAZ 17A bmv 1941.

Very nice Phil, have you unscrewed it yet?
Dave.

 

[satan18]

Very nice Phil, have you unscrewed it yet?
Dave.

Hi Dave Thanks

This is where the trouble starts,as i dont think it will come apart to easy,as the ally threads are a bit glued up,and there is a risk that the plastic inner clock case will crumble.

might soak it over a period of time and just see if it will co operate.

Best phil

 

[SG500]

Hi Dave Thanks

This is where the trouble starts,as i dont think it will come apart to easy,as the ally threads are a bit glued up,and there is a risk that the plastic inner clock case will crumble.

might soak it over a period of time and just see if it will co operate.

Best phil

Good luck Phil!
Dave.

 

[satan18]

Good luck Phil!
Dave.

Cheers dave will keep you all posted.

Best phil

 

[Nudelmannrichter]

yep I can confirm that the change to 17 (A)* was somewhen between end of 41 and beginning of 42

I have a 17 (A)* which top side is marked El A Z 17 (A)* bp 1942 8b and side mark is bmv 1942* 3c.
The plastic clock case is also marked 8b

So I think the fuzes have been completed from parts delivered by different manufacturers at one main mounting factory and therefore we have different lot numbers (8b and 3c) and different manufacturers (bp, bmv)

Can you confirm that you have also different marks on your fuze?



regards
nudelmannrichter

 

[Nudelmannrichter]

here some pics

the single clockwork beneath on the first two pics is of the type which is inside the plastic case.

 

[satan18]

Hi Yes the bottom of the clock case is 26b and the fuse cap is 5d.

As you say the later the fuse the more mis matched numbers appear,as i have RHS 1940 17 and 17As and they all have matching components.

Interesting thank you

best phil



regards
nudelmannrichter[/QUOTE]

 

[SG500]

here some pics

the single clockwork beneath on the first two pics is of the type which is inside the plastic case.

Nice photos, thanks for showing them.

Dave.