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12 Pr Desk Ornament

Gspragge

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Got this old range pick up today. Fuze is dated 08 by C.O.W. Never had one
before. These guns were listed for gunnery competitions right up until ww2.
The No 63 fuze was a tad bent but I got it straightened out fairly well. If any one has a good
top cap I would be interested in same.

Does this gun use a Bag charge, I have never seen a casing.
 

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As this is separate loading, is it a bag charge or is there a casing.
I have never seen a 12 Pr casing except for the long Navy types.
 
There are at least 2 and maybe 3 lengths of 12 Pdr casings. They use the rare long external primer that is made to screw in and out to be changed.
 
I believe the external primer is the result of many of the guns being converted from bag charge to cartridge.
 
There are at least 4 lengths of 12pr QF SL designated by the gun weight in cwt. I do not believe any were converted bag charge guns. The shrapnel shell of 1905 manual was interchaneable between BL and QF.
 
Here a 12 pdr dated 1898 BL 6cwt or Q.F.
 

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The light field gun was a bag charge gun I'm told, any of those long Navel casings would be far too much in these some what delicate guns.
These guns would have been the primary basic training gun in Canada during ww1.
 
The field gun is a Bag charged gun I'm told. Those long Navel cases would be too much for this
rather delicate gun. later there was a recoil devise attached to these, A large spade thing that dug into the ground under the gun and then
using springs pulled the gun back into position.
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12-pounder field gun in the collection of the Canadian War Museum. This is the No. 5 Gun actually used by "D" Battery, RCFA at Leliefontein.

The 12-pounder breech-loading gun that equipped the Brigade Division, Royal Canadian Field Artillery in South Africa began to enter Canadian service in 1897. It replaced the 9-pounder rifled muzzle loading guns that had equipped Canada's field artillery units since the 1870s. The new gun was the standard equipment of the mounted troops of the British horse artillery, and was a great improvement over its predecessor. Loading by the breech was quicker and simpler than ramming ammunition into place from the muzzle, and the 12-pounder had a range of 4,500 metres, 1,500 metres better than the earlier gun. Smokeless cordite propellant, moreover, eliminated the thick haze that had previously surrounded artillery pieces in action and thereby given away their location to the enemy.
Rapid technological developments, however, had already rendered the 12-pounder obsolete by the time of the South African War. Guns of the British and Boer forces fired heavier projectiles to a still greater range. They also featured hydraulic or mechanical systems to absorb the shock of recoil. In the case of the 12-pounder, which lacked these devices, the gun had to be pushed back into position after every round, thus slowing the rate at which it could be fired.
It says much for the efficiency of the Canadian gunners that they achieved good results despite the shortcomings of their equipment.
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I got the top of the projectile off, held in by some rust and dirt. It was in good shape and cleaned well. I wonder what was in the head pieces, has clips to hold something in place.

If any one has the central tube and push plate etc for one of these I would be interested.
 

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The top cap on the fuze is a bit out of shape, but I'm unlikely to find another.
 

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Thanks for the photo. Am I correct that these tops are soldered in place hence the holes and also the fuze well is also soldered in place. It seems to me the solder on my (inert and empty) projectile has been partially melted out at one time and the holes are "un-slotted" like yours. I had thought that these "tops" were staked with pins but now it seems they are soldered together ? Regardless it seems too stubborn to bother getting apart. I may try resoldering the fuze adapter to clean it up a bit. Thanks for something to compare with.
Best Regards, SHAKY
 
12 Pr 6 cwt is a BL. refer Treatise of Ammo 1902 Page 54 . 12oz 7dr Cordite, size 5 (5.5in long, 3 silk ties, in a cylindrical shalloon bag with 4dr FG primer). Shalloon (woollen twill) was coloured red (also used in uniform manufacture)
 
most shrapnel shells of this type ahd anti rotation pins in slots and screws in threaded holes to keep it together.
 
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