120mm M359 TP-T, M358 AP-T differences

[917601]

This TP-T in TM43 appears to be same specs as the AP-T. The only difference I can think of is the metal bolt composition. I aquired it as a companion piece to my black AP-T ( which seems to be much more common). I have seen a few black AP-T ones for sale over the years, but not a blue TP-T one, which prompted me to purchase it rather hastily. Pics of both for interest.

 

[Eggburt1969]

Taken from 'TM 9-1300-203 - Artillery Ammunition' Change 12 from 1967.

Description. With the exception of the material
used in the projectile body, low strength carbon
steel, the construction of this projectile is the
same as the M358. The complete round consists of
the solid projectile and propelling charge assembly
M46 (T38E1).

Hope this helps.

 

[917601]

Thank you Egg. A few more pictures.

 

[apfsds]

REALLY NICE SCORE!

Jason

 

[HAZORD]

They used to be plentiful.

 

[US-Subs]

Yeah they did, but of course so did a lot of other items. Here are a few more. Sorry for the photo quality, at work and only have crops from "shelf-shots".

 

[apfsds]

Nice seeing 2 APFSDS

Jason

 

[US-Subs]

Three, but you have to look closely. Beside the Shillelagh drill round.

 

[apfsds]

I can see 10 now! Some incredible specimens. I think I can ID most of them, but not 100% LOL

Thank you!

Jason
PS: Question, back to this TP M358 projectile. Are these round, AP & TP, separate loaded and not crimped into the cases?

 

[HAZORD]

Correct, they are not crimped in the case. The case is based on the 120mm AAA round from WWII, which was also separate loading.

 

[US-Subs]

Lens distortion from a wide angle group shot makes the case look a little funky, but nevertheless -

 

[apfsds]

I had no idea that these had a WW2 Navy connection! That is so interesting. Were these used on Battleships during WW2? I have studied the gun systems on WW2 Era IOWA Class, and a few others and never heard of 120mm gun system. So interesting. Thank you!

Jason

 

[HAZORD]

Jason, I'm not sure if the discussion got a little confused, but there wasn't really a Navy connection per say. The 120mm AAA was the Army Stratoflak gun from WWII. The arms development group decided to adapt that gun for heavy tank use, using the same cartridge case, but newer projectiles, for the Marine Corps Tank. The only Navy connection was that it was for the Marines. I'm not sure if the Navy had input into the Gun Development.

 

[bacarnal]

Both the Army and the USMC used the M103 Heavy Tank. The Army had a couple of battalions of them in Germany to support the M48's and later the M60's. They found that the M103 had trouble traversing the tight German roads.
I have a good friend that was a USMC Tank Commander at Fort Knox. His tank, A12 was later transferred to the Tank Museum at Bovington. The casing is from that tank.
My M358 AP-T still has the T116E6 stamped on the rotating band.
The 120mm AAA Strato Flak HAZ was talking about was originally designated the 4.7". The round in front of the casing is marked 4.7 INCH M-73.
Cheers, Bruce.

 

[917601]

I finally attached the projectile to the case, 52” tall, just for the “ wow” factor.