14cm Hontoria Projectile? Span-Am War

[AKON_]

I would take a look at the library here, for example...
14cm M.83/94

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(14cm)

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; 14cm ;

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14cm Canet

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España. Ministerio del Ejército. Dirección General de Industria y Material

 

[HoldThePickle24]

@AKON_ Is there any way to post links to the direct articles?? All of the links are giving errors that the search has expired. I’m keenly interested to see these documents!

 

[AKON_]

Hi
This is a library, there will definitely still be documents of an archival nature...
Akon

 

[Berle]

Hawkinson's second edition has the 140x1246R case with a rim dia of 175mm. It's listed as a 14cm Hontoria 2 pc brass case, British made with a 1895 dated case. He lists it as T/N but a 1mm difference in rim dia and a 11 mm difference in length isn't all that much. As of the list of items in his collection dated 1998 he didn't have it. He traveled the world measuring stuff in museums so don't be too hard on him for a little mistake like that if it is the same cartridge. I've found mistakes in his book too but as many items he has listed I don't think that's too bad. Fired, not fired, all kinds of things can cause differences like that.

 

[HoldThePickle24]

Oh, I don't think anyone meant to be hard on him, or anything. At least, I certainly wasn't. The difference of a few millimeters is well within the margin of error, IMO. I actually contacted him directly about this case and a few others. Nice guy. I emailed back and forth quite a bit with him and his daughter, whom is now helping him with some of his database work. They're actually trying to convert it all to an online database, but the amount of info and photos and everything is maaaasive. Hopefully they'll get it up and running in the near future. He got rid of his collection quite a while ago, he said. I guess once the US cracked down on importing inert ordnance type of stuff (i assume after 9/11?), he decided that if he couldn't get ALL of it, he didn't want ANY of it.

 

[Hoeksel]

Correcting a mistake is vital for shell case identification. In my opinion, 11 mm in length is the difference between positive ID or clueless forever.
That being said, of course I appreciate the ground breaking work of him. I publish myself and I make the same mistakes all the time.
This forum is about learning together and correcting is not critiscism! It is learning and going forward.

 

[Berle]

Oh, I don't think anyone meant to be hard on him, or anything. At least, I certainly wasn't. The difference of a few millimeters is well within the margin of error, IMO. I actually contacted him directly about this case and a few others. Nice guy. I emailed back and forth quite a bit with him and his daughter, whom is now helping him with some of his database work. They're actually trying to convert it all to an online database, but the amount of info and photos and everything is maaaasive. Hopefully they'll get it up and running in the near future. He got rid of his collection quite a while ago, he said. I guess once the US cracked down on importing inert ordnance type of stuff (i assume after 9/11?), he decided that if he couldn't get ALL of it, he didn't want ANY of it.

He was always ready to answer questions! I contacted him a number of times also. I'd have liked to see that collection sold !

 

[AKON_]

Interesting list of 14cm ship calibers.

https://armada.defensa.gob.es/archivo/mardigitalrevistas/cuadernosihcn/16cuaderno/04cap.pdf

 

[HoldThePickle24]

UPDATE: with the help of everyone, especially @no3nh4, I have a working model of what may very well be what a common shell projectile looked like for this gun. I need to paint it and make it look realistic and aged, but it will hopefully display well in my case. I’ll keep everyone posted.

 

[HoldThePickle24]

One more photo to show scale of this behemoth - here is the “complete” round standing next to a 40mm Bofors round!