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Mariusz Loslau
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Hi.
What means "L.K" and "CF" stamps on 25pr case?
Regards.
What means "L.K" and "CF" stamps on 25pr case?
Regards.
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Chris 42 RQ
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Cordite Filled
C F stands for "Cordite Filled" but I do not know what the LK stands for ?
Someone here will have come across this I expect.
Being as you have two cases marked similarly I wonder if they have been "Re-worked" by a company with the Monogram of LK ! just a thought ?
Chris :tinysmile_shy_t:
C F stands for "Cordite Filled" but I do not know what the LK stands for ?
Someone here will have come across this I expect.
Being as you have two cases marked similarly I wonder if they have been "Re-worked" by a company with the Monogram of LK ! just a thought ?
Chris :tinysmile_shy_t:
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With respect to the 'Life of Case Stampings' originally 'P' signified filled gunpowder and 'C' signified filled Cordite. However, with the introduction of new propellants 'C' signified 'smokeless powder'. Much later 'C' signified 'Charge'
'F' or 'R' denotes 'full' or 'reduced.'
The 'L.K' is strange; generally where a case has been repaired the repairer's monogram is stamped within a rectangle. The stamping is somewhat brutal and I would expect a much higher standard of workmanship from companies charged with repairing cases and the use of a purpose made stamp as opposed to L, punch stab, K, punch stab. Both letters, more so the 'L' are slightly suspect as they are not really a 'British' font.
I assume both cases were found in the Netherlands and it is possible that they were cases subsequently used by the Dutch army and thus L.K. might be a Dutch marking.
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Tim. G.
'F' or 'R' denotes 'full' or 'reduced.'
The 'L.K' is strange; generally where a case has been repaired the repairer's monogram is stamped within a rectangle. The stamping is somewhat brutal and I would expect a much higher standard of workmanship from companies charged with repairing cases and the use of a purpose made stamp as opposed to L, punch stab, K, punch stab. Both letters, more so the 'L' are slightly suspect as they are not really a 'British' font.
I assume both cases were found in the Netherlands and it is possible that they were cases subsequently used by the Dutch army and thus L.K. might be a Dutch marking.
Regards
Tim. G.
25pdr
I havn't seen the L.K. before as a repairer, and looks a little crude!
MC is Munitions Cheltenham (Adelaide-South Australia), this is confirmed by the primer filled by MS -Munitions Salisbury (Adelaide- South Australia).
Strange that it may have been reworked and still has a MS primer in it.
I have known collectors to put their own little ID marks on items, hope this isn't one of them!
Regards Ozzi.
I havn't seen the L.K. before as a repairer, and looks a little crude!
MC is Munitions Cheltenham (Adelaide-South Australia), this is confirmed by the primer filled by MS -Munitions Salisbury (Adelaide- South Australia).
Strange that it may have been reworked and still has a MS primer in it.
I have known collectors to put their own little ID marks on items, hope this isn't one of them!
Regards Ozzi.
25pdr /3.45 inch
hi Ozzi. have a look at the attached photo of a 3.45 inch. Do you recognise the colour scheme/markings as Australian? They are not standard British markings but someone has gone to a lot of trouble to finish the shell so well. This would be odd if the colour scheme/markings were purely fictitious. On the side, the shell is stamped D.K N7062 7 FG. The reason I ask you is that the original owner was ex Australian army. Thanks, Dave
hi Ozzi. have a look at the attached photo of a 3.45 inch. Do you recognise the colour scheme/markings as Australian? They are not standard British markings but someone has gone to a lot of trouble to finish the shell so well. This would be odd if the colour scheme/markings were purely fictitious. On the side, the shell is stamped D.K N7062 7 FG. The reason I ask you is that the original owner was ex Australian army. Thanks, Dave
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TonyE
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CF and LK
Apart from confirming that which TimG posted, i.e. CF means Charge-Full (not that Tim's comments need confirmation), I have checked my monograms and "LK" is the Kelly Engineering Co.Pty. Ltd. of Redfern, New South Wales. This would fit with the original manufacturer and the Primer filler.
Interestingly, the same list shows "MC" to be the Ammunition Factory, Finsbury, South Australia. Was this a different name for the same place, perhaps when taken over by the government?
On the other case, "ECC" is E.Curran & Co. Cardiff.
Regards
TonyE
Apart from confirming that which TimG posted, i.e. CF means Charge-Full (not that Tim's comments need confirmation), I have checked my monograms and "LK" is the Kelly Engineering Co.Pty. Ltd. of Redfern, New South Wales. This would fit with the original manufacturer and the Primer filler.
Interestingly, the same list shows "MC" to be the Ammunition Factory, Finsbury, South Australia. Was this a different name for the same place, perhaps when taken over by the government?
On the other case, "ECC" is E.Curran & Co. Cardiff.
Regards
TonyE
that sounds like a very useful and interesting list of monograms you have Tony, is it available to others? cheers, Dave
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Mariusz Loslau
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Hi,
I think I know what means the "L.K" stamps... but this may by too simple?
Bouth of them are a some kind of "Trench Art" (flowerpot's) and maybe "L.K" is just a signature or inicjals, who made this?
however, many thanks for all answers.
...one more question;
What means a "star"(?) stamp under "MC" stamp on this case?
This one is also made in Australia? (MC stamps).
Also interested for me i a two "arrow's"(?) and "RU" stamps, and all stamps on primer.
Sorry, maybe for you is simple question's, but for my is something new. In Poland wher I come from, (now I Live in NL) britisch ordnance is something, what we dont find every day. That's why we have short information. Thank's a lot.
Regards.
I think I know what means the "L.K" stamps... but this may by too simple?
Bouth of them are a some kind of "Trench Art" (flowerpot's) and maybe "L.K" is just a signature or inicjals, who made this?
however, many thanks for all answers.
...one more question;
What means a "star"(?) stamp under "MC" stamp on this case?
This one is also made in Australia? (MC stamps).
Also interested for me i a two "arrow's"(?) and "RU" stamps, and all stamps on primer.
Sorry, maybe for you is simple question's, but for my is something new. In Poland wher I come from, (now I Live in NL) britisch ordnance is something, what we dont find every day. That's why we have short information. Thank's a lot.
Regards.
25 pdr
Howdy All,
I have attached an original painted proj from WWII era, I have not seen any projectiles stamped 3.45" but have cart cases in 3.45" which was the forerunner to what we now know as the ubiquitous 25pdr.
I have not seen or heard of an Australian made 3.45" Cart!
I have seen 1938 manufactured 3.45" & 25pdr carts. sitting side by side in an antique shop! (now in my collection) Both made by RLB.
The paintwork looks like a repro to me, especially if it is stamped 3.45" as it would have been around a bit to be looking so pristine!
MC was used for the Finsbury shell annexe in Adelaide as there was already a MF (Munitions Footscray) manufacturers monogram.
Finsbury is basically a sub-suburb of Cheltenham.
The other small stampings include annealing acceptance stamps & inspectors marks.
Jury is still out on L.K.
Regards Ozzi.
Howdy All,
I have attached an original painted proj from WWII era, I have not seen any projectiles stamped 3.45" but have cart cases in 3.45" which was the forerunner to what we now know as the ubiquitous 25pdr.
I have not seen or heard of an Australian made 3.45" Cart!
I have seen 1938 manufactured 3.45" & 25pdr carts. sitting side by side in an antique shop! (now in my collection) Both made by RLB.
The paintwork looks like a repro to me, especially if it is stamped 3.45" as it would have been around a bit to be looking so pristine!
MC was used for the Finsbury shell annexe in Adelaide as there was already a MF (Munitions Footscray) manufacturers monogram.
Finsbury is basically a sub-suburb of Cheltenham.
The other small stampings include annealing acceptance stamps & inspectors marks.
Jury is still out on L.K.
Regards Ozzi.
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yes, its a repainted shell Ozzi but done very well. Which is strange as one would have thought it easy enough to find the correct markings if these are fictitious. It was sold as a 25pdr but I looked on the bottom - even the 117 fuze is dated 1938! cheers, dave
well that's that theory squashed! thanks Ozzi. Dave
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