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Australian Red Bakelite No 69 Grenades.

millsbomber

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I now have 3 different manufactured Australian No69 Grenades in the collection, i know there are some differences with the examples i have so please share with others your examples

From Left to right, my latest one made by M-C in an R, don't know this manufacturer, then B Air N 42 Air Zone, Sydney New South Wales last Ring Grip Company Adelaide, Southern Australia.

Dave

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Very Nice!
...thanks for posting the photos

I've never found any Australian No. 69's on this side of the pond.
Well done.
 
Ring grip also made electrical parts from bakerlite too i think they were red also.
Perhaps They had a stock pile of materials or was what was availble in aussie at the time..
 
Hi Dave. They are very nice and quite hard to find. There are a number of colour and style variations (especially with the lids). They also go very dull if they are ground recovered. Cheers
 

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Hi Dave. They are very nice and quite hard to find. There are a number of colour and style variations (especially with the lids). They also go very dull if they are ground recovered. Cheers

So thats how come i see tops different colours, i also notice the hatching's in the first picture are bigger than to others,,,, Dave
 
Hi Dave. I've seen more with the wider ribs over here than the narrower ones. That may not be indicative of production runs, and may simply indicate where different production runs went. Cheers
 
I often wondered about the colour used for the Australian No69's . Bakelite is a phenol based polymer & would be a sort of yellowy colour when a liquid . It's mixed with a binding agent before heat curing to make it solid & the normal black finish on English 69's & most ordnance related uses would have been achieved by adding a non reactive dye like carbon black . However , any colour can be used & I suspect that the antipodean manufacturers were originally set up to make electrical components that would usually be the reddish brown colour & there was no structural reason to alter their manufacturing processes as they would have those materials in stock . Just a thought ! Siegfreid.
 
i have one of these red 69's too but unfortunately it has been converted to a salt shaker. i'll get some pic done tomorrow.
paul.
 
Wow, these Red Bakelite are so rare.... and you have three!!!!!!! And mint....

When i first Started collecting Miguel there was a dealer who i see every month and he always said to me all will come if you can wait long enough, im thinking 15 years to get 3, don't give up and don't be in a hurry,,,,,,, Dave
 
I know, I know, it took 6 years for get mine.
 

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Ive been trying to identify the manufacturer of the CR marked grenade, but have nothing positive. I have a manuscript entry for CR (as shown, not imposed on one another) as being Chas. Ruwolt , Richmond, Adelaide, Australia. Ruwolts were a heavy engineering company that tended to serve the mining industry and like what they manufactured was generally very big. However, during the war Chas. Ruwolt (the founder) became one of an eight-member central control board (Victorian board of area management) of the Department of Munitions. The factory was turned over to the war effort and became No 1 annex of munitions supply, manufacturing artillery pieces, trench mortars, mortar bombs and armour-piercing shot. The company was responsible for the highly successful 25pr. short-gun howitzer (lightweight version of the 25pr) developed in conjunction with the Department of Munitions. With Mr Ruwolts connections the Department of Munitions, it is quite possible that he diversified into the field of thermosetting plastics.

Ring Pull - were one of Australias largest manufacturers of electrical accessories at the time.

Airzone or more accurately Airzone 1931 Ltd (Parramatta Road, Camperdown, Sydney) were one of Australias largest manufacturers of radios. Radios of this period were invariably housed in enormous Bakelite cabinets.

(Ive made enquiries of collectors of both categories and no one recognises the trade mark)

Then, just to complicate matters, whilst trawling www.powerhousemuseum.com (Its an Australian website dedicated to design and manufacture) I found the following entry on a No. 69 Grenade (theres no photo.)

Old museum label on blue file says "Made and Presented by Nally's Ltd., Sydney, 1944

( Nally Ltd were one of Australias first and biggest plastics users they specialised in Bakelite crockery, now known as Nallyware which is apparently very collectable.)

Marks - Registration mark, on side, moulded, "No.69 I / N - AIR.42 / N.", on base, moulded "3"

My initial reaction was this was a mislabelling by the museum, but the significance of the N beneath the AIR which had intrigued me, had now an apparent explanation. It would thus seem, that manufacture of these bodies was subcontracted to Nally for whatever reason.

Ill be contacting the radio collectors again to see if they know whether Airzone made their Bakelite cabinets in house, or bought them in which might shed a bit more light on the matter.

TimG

P.S.

Miguel - can we have a close up of the base of your grenade please.
 
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here's my poor old example converted to a pepper shaker (not salt as previously stated) the base plug has been filed down so it can stand up and the bottom of the fuze and fuze well have been removed. the cap has lots of holes drilled in. the base has been filed a bit but you can still make out the "No 69 and the word GRIP"
Still, it will make a great restoration project.
Paul.
 

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I’ve been trying to identify the manufacturer of the ‘CR’ marked grenade, but have nothing positive. I have a manuscript entry for ‘CR’ (as shown, not imposed on one another) as being Chas. Ruwolt , Richmond, Adelaide, Australia. Ruwolts were a heavy engineering company that tended to serve the mining industry and like – what they manufactured was generally very big. However, during the war Chas. Ruwolt (the founder) became one of an eight-member central control board (Victorian board of area management) of the Department of Munitions. The factory was turned over to the war effort and became No 1 annex of munitions supply, manufacturing artillery pieces, trench mortars, mortar bombs and armour-piercing shot. The company was responsible for the highly successful 25pr. short-gun howitzer (lightweight version of the 25pr) developed in conjunction with the Department of Munitions. With Mr Ruwolt’s connections the Department of Munitions, it is quite possible that he diversified into the field of thermosetting plastics.

Ring Pull - were one of Australia’s largest manufacturers of electrical accessories at the time.

Airzone – or more accurately “Airzone 1931 Ltd” (Parramatta Road, Camperdown, Sydney) were one of Australia’s largest manufacturers of radios. Radios of this period were invariably housed in enormous Bakelite cabinets.

(I’ve made enquiries of collectors of both categories and no one recognises the trade mark)

Then, just to complicate matters, whilst trawling www.powerhousemuseum.com (It’s an Australian website dedicated to design and manufacture) I found the following entry on a No. 69 Grenade (there’s no photo.)

“Old museum label on blue file says "Made and Presented by Nally's Ltd., Sydney, 1944”“

( Nally Ltd were one of Australia’s first and biggest plastics users – they specialised in Bakelite crockery, now known as Nallyware – which is apparently very collectable.)

“Marks - Registration mark, on side, moulded, "No.69 I / N - AIR.42 / N.", on base, moulded "3"

My initial reaction was this was a mislabelling by the museum, but the significance of the ‘N’ beneath the ‘AIR’ which had intrigued me, had now an apparent explanation. It would thus seem, that manufacture of these bodies was subcontracted to Nally – for whatever reason.

I’ll be contacting the radio collectors again to see if they know whether Airzone made their Bakelite cabinets in house, or bought them in – which might shed a bit more light on the matter.

TimG

P.S.

Miguel - can we have a close up of the base of your grenade please.

TimG . British No 69's were made by De La Rue Ltd. who make banknotes & specialist paper . Paper was used as a binding agent for some Bakelite products as it was mixed with the liquid polymer before it was heat cured . Have you looked into the possibility that "CR" were makers of paper products originally & not well known for Bakelite products as such ? Mike.
 
here's my poor old example converted to a pepper shaker (not salt as previously stated) the base plug has been filed down so it can stand up and the bottom of the fuze and fuze well have been removed. the cap has lots of holes drilled in. the base has been filed a bit but you can still make out the "No 69 and the word GRIP"
Still, it will make a great restoration project.
Paul.

Paul . Did you get that from an Australian seller on eBay many years ago ? I remember bidding on one & not getting it at , I think , about 20 . Mike
 
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