Austro-Hungarian 21cm projectile

[bombasz]

Someone has information about this projectile?

 

[fert]

Hi,
any chanche to see markings on fuze please?
best regards

 

[bombasz]

Unfortunately, there does not seem to markings, ignition timer nose fuze, timing of gunpowder.

 

[Alpini]

is it a Gr.-Schrapnel?

 

[bombasz]

I do not know, fell apart in the head section of the detonator exploded. 1 cm thick metal plate was there, gunpowder ring. a central tube appeared in the middle of a 3 cm thick

sorry for the translation, I use google translator ....

 

[Yodamaster]

Can you give us the dimensions of your shell ?


Yoda

 

[bombasz]

has already been delivered to the bomb squad, but approx. 21-24 cm of space dimensions

 

[Yodamaster]

If the diameter of the shell is effectively 24 cm, it's very similar (to see the two driving bands) on the 24 cm Spgr L/4,1 m. Haube ! But,....... not evident !



Yoda

 

[bombasz]

it is certain that the Austro-Hungarian era remains. the other shells we could find for this reference

 

[fert]

Hi,
construciont seems austrian, other GS was made in this way.
I never seen this kind of ammo on austrian 21cm...

here a 10.5cm M14T GS, and a 30,5cm GS

 

[bombasz]

the first picture is very similar to it

 

[Yodamaster]

Sorry, correction,
I've found it, it's not a Spgr shell, it's the 24 cm Schrapnell L/4,1 m. Haube with DoppZ 16 fuze.
I shall post picture tomorrow.


Yoda

 

[Alpini]

Hi,
construciont seems austrian, other GS was made in this way.
I never seen this kind of ammo on austrian 21cm...

here a 10.5cm M14T GS, and a 30,5cm GS

that's exactly my opinion!

@Yoda: german WW1 naval shell on Gyr firing range? And compare the size of the fuze, it is larger than his hand, that a austro hungarian "Granatschrapnellznder".

 

[bombasz]

the area of an old military shooting range. the First World War, has been used.

now be exempted from the range. Our company carries out the discharge

 

[Yodamaster]

Here the doc I promised.
With only three pictures is it difficult to make a correct ID.
The 24cm Schrap L/4.1 is the most similar that I can see. That's the reason why I asked measurements.
Austro-Hungarians have used various german ammunitions (shells and fuzes). It's very possible that they have tested them on this range... or used in activity !


I hope the doc will be readable !



Yoda

 

[bombasz]

here is a new picture of it

 

[bombasz]

I think this is not the

the fuze is not there like mine

 

[fert]

Hi,
@ yodamaster: you are right about german shell use, for the 24cm caliber only in 24cm K16.

if it's a 24cm, I think could it be for a 24cm M98 mortar, driving band seems very similar
best regards

 

[bombasz]

the fuze material brass

 

[Alpini]

HI Bombas,

it's much likely a Granatschrapnell (shrapnell with high explosive head part). Did you meassure exact diameter? And also counting the number of grooves in the drivingband can help to identify the gun.

Such austrian Granatschrapnells are known in calibres 7,5 cm, 8 cm, 9 cm, 10 cm, 12 cm, 15 cm, 30,5 cm, and 38 cm but not jet in 21 cm. But the documents are incomplete and on Gyr firing range also trials are much possible. Most large austro-hungarian guns were tested on Gyr range.