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couple of new grenades
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Nice CS grenade ... been looking for a nice one in a container like that for a while. Mine is missing the fuze and plug.
Joe
Joe
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The M25A2 was used by a few SpecOps guys in Vietnam, especially SOG and their Indig members. They were especially used during SF's battle to take "Nui Coto Mountain" and "Tuk Chup Knoll". Allot of CS and WP were used to dislodge the VC that were hidden in the caves and bunkers. Just FYI.
Mark
V40
Mark
V40
V40
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Dan,
See if you can still get this book from the military book club:
"Special Forces at War" By Shelby L. Stanton.
It is an illustrated History, Southeast Asia !957-1975 is the subtitle.
Zenith Press
ISBN is 978 - 0 7603 - 3449 -2
The first copy of which I own was worth the last time I checked was $400.00 and paid when it first came out in the very early 90's was $150.00. Like I said before the military book club has them for your first 4 books. If that is still true the membership itself is well worth the cost of the book. By the way, I bought the one from the military book club too. My first edition now sits in my mini Archives.
Another good thing about this book is that the pictures are in detail (All Black & White) and show the equipment they all carried in greater detail. If you were to purchase it for $0.29 or whatever it is you can turn to page 262 and see an Indig carring an M25A(?) that he has somehow wrapped it around his LBE gear vertically on the right shoulder strap. This shot was taken during the battle of Nui Coto.
I would definately get that book I mentioned above. I would also look at any of the SOG books By Plaster and Greco because these are "pictorial" histories of that unit and show allot of weapons that they used, the LRRPS/Rangers, Marine Recon, and the Navy SEALS. For the SEALS I think it was already recomended to get Dockery's book(s).
As far as a single book besides these I have already mentioned for Vietnam Ordnance I would check out the book "Weapons and Field Gear of the North Vietnamese Army and Viet Cong" By Edward J. Emering ISBN 0 - 7643 - 0583 -2. I know that somebody here was advertising this same book in another thread. I agree that it is a good book on their Ordnanace but you have to remember that in the book it is probably only hitting about 10% of what the VC made and what the NVA were supplied with such as the RGD-42, RKG-3's, F-1's, RGD-33's, and the North Koreans specific Hand grenade which I saw a picture of it here somewhere.
A good addition to Emerling's book for the PAVN (same as NVA) ordnance is this one from Paladin Press: "The Official Soviet Army Hand Grenade Manual" Translated by Major James F. Gebhardt, U.S. Army (Ret.) Everything you see in there was used by the PAVN during the Vietnam War.
....And as far as ours, the Australians, ROK's, Phillipinese, Thailand, and I believe the New Zelanders (SP?), Kiwi please forgive me, and their ordnance they brought with them to Vietnam, that is possibly a little harder to explain, then again maybe not. The reason being is that these Countries all participated in the War in some way or another. The ones that actually had Ground Troups used the same grenades and ordnance that we basically did. There are differences in Shooting weapons though but our concern here is the Ordnance. This is where the FM's and the TM's mentioned before are worth their weight in gold. Collecting them from the Vietnam War is ahhhhh really fun and imformative.
Dan and others here will have to realize too is that anybody who study's the Vietnam War will definately learn something new ordnance wise everytime. Some books are better than others and some others are worth their weight in Gold, again. The flip side to this coin is that their is a great amount of lies in books perpertrated from egos and the desire to have been there so they lie. One example of this, is from what I have been told by SF is truely a lie would be the book entitled; "Covert Warrior" By Warner Smith.
Vietnam was the War whereby just about everything you can imagine was tested in that conflict. Some where absolutely amazing and worked as planned such as the TOW's at AN LOC, the XM177E2 Colt Carbine, BDU's (Others here can talk about that), Gravel and M14 mines, Tiger Stripped Battle fatigues (so many where made in different styles that there is a book out on all the patterns), Just using the regular OD fatigues with black spray painted blotches on them for cross border ops. In the jungle these were the best camoflauge ever! Then you have the greats such as Specters, Spookys, and Stingers airplanes that saved many lives on our side. Claymores, Pigs and just about every weapon from WWII was used there too. Others like the Urine smeller (cannot remember the NSN number right now), McNamara's Line, some grenades that the SEALS and SOG used, the .25 caliber Berrettas, the three shot 40mm grenade launcher mounted on the M16A1, the pump action 40mm shotgun, and the German made Mini Napalm or WP single shot hand fired device and some others I cannot remember off of the top of my head, were either basically worthless and/or just couldn't survive in the heat and the humidity of Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia. Remember the first LAWS delivered to SF and foot soldiers. The ones used in the battle of Lang Vei by SF that just bounced off the thin skinned tanks that were PT-76's which fortunately were destroyed by the 106 RR's to knock out most of them. Just some examples that I know of.
Bottom line my friend is that I am not aware of any single book that has it all except and a maybe is the Jane's serious of "Infantry Weapons" Books fro around that Era. I am not familiar when Jane's of London started producing their world famous 5lb. books but I have one from 1975 that definately has allot of weapons and grenades in it from Vietnam. For mines, artillery, missles, and rockets, Jane's is the way to go. If that interests you too than keep an eye on e-blaaaaaaaahhhhhhh for those. You can usually find them cheap and used.
I think I will get away from the podium now and allow others to speak up.
Dan, thanks for asking and I hope this reply will give you some good information in regards to what you are looking for and some additional items that you might be of interest to you and others here?
Mark
V40
See if you can still get this book from the military book club:
"Special Forces at War" By Shelby L. Stanton.
It is an illustrated History, Southeast Asia !957-1975 is the subtitle.
Zenith Press
ISBN is 978 - 0 7603 - 3449 -2
The first copy of which I own was worth the last time I checked was $400.00 and paid when it first came out in the very early 90's was $150.00. Like I said before the military book club has them for your first 4 books. If that is still true the membership itself is well worth the cost of the book. By the way, I bought the one from the military book club too. My first edition now sits in my mini Archives.
Another good thing about this book is that the pictures are in detail (All Black & White) and show the equipment they all carried in greater detail. If you were to purchase it for $0.29 or whatever it is you can turn to page 262 and see an Indig carring an M25A(?) that he has somehow wrapped it around his LBE gear vertically on the right shoulder strap. This shot was taken during the battle of Nui Coto.
I would definately get that book I mentioned above. I would also look at any of the SOG books By Plaster and Greco because these are "pictorial" histories of that unit and show allot of weapons that they used, the LRRPS/Rangers, Marine Recon, and the Navy SEALS. For the SEALS I think it was already recomended to get Dockery's book(s).
As far as a single book besides these I have already mentioned for Vietnam Ordnance I would check out the book "Weapons and Field Gear of the North Vietnamese Army and Viet Cong" By Edward J. Emering ISBN 0 - 7643 - 0583 -2. I know that somebody here was advertising this same book in another thread. I agree that it is a good book on their Ordnanace but you have to remember that in the book it is probably only hitting about 10% of what the VC made and what the NVA were supplied with such as the RGD-42, RKG-3's, F-1's, RGD-33's, and the North Koreans specific Hand grenade which I saw a picture of it here somewhere.
A good addition to Emerling's book for the PAVN (same as NVA) ordnance is this one from Paladin Press: "The Official Soviet Army Hand Grenade Manual" Translated by Major James F. Gebhardt, U.S. Army (Ret.) Everything you see in there was used by the PAVN during the Vietnam War.
....And as far as ours, the Australians, ROK's, Phillipinese, Thailand, and I believe the New Zelanders (SP?), Kiwi please forgive me, and their ordnance they brought with them to Vietnam, that is possibly a little harder to explain, then again maybe not. The reason being is that these Countries all participated in the War in some way or another. The ones that actually had Ground Troups used the same grenades and ordnance that we basically did. There are differences in Shooting weapons though but our concern here is the Ordnance. This is where the FM's and the TM's mentioned before are worth their weight in gold. Collecting them from the Vietnam War is ahhhhh really fun and imformative.
Dan and others here will have to realize too is that anybody who study's the Vietnam War will definately learn something new ordnance wise everytime. Some books are better than others and some others are worth their weight in Gold, again. The flip side to this coin is that their is a great amount of lies in books perpertrated from egos and the desire to have been there so they lie. One example of this, is from what I have been told by SF is truely a lie would be the book entitled; "Covert Warrior" By Warner Smith.
Vietnam was the War whereby just about everything you can imagine was tested in that conflict. Some where absolutely amazing and worked as planned such as the TOW's at AN LOC, the XM177E2 Colt Carbine, BDU's (Others here can talk about that), Gravel and M14 mines, Tiger Stripped Battle fatigues (so many where made in different styles that there is a book out on all the patterns), Just using the regular OD fatigues with black spray painted blotches on them for cross border ops. In the jungle these were the best camoflauge ever! Then you have the greats such as Specters, Spookys, and Stingers airplanes that saved many lives on our side. Claymores, Pigs and just about every weapon from WWII was used there too. Others like the Urine smeller (cannot remember the NSN number right now), McNamara's Line, some grenades that the SEALS and SOG used, the .25 caliber Berrettas, the three shot 40mm grenade launcher mounted on the M16A1, the pump action 40mm shotgun, and the German made Mini Napalm or WP single shot hand fired device and some others I cannot remember off of the top of my head, were either basically worthless and/or just couldn't survive in the heat and the humidity of Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia. Remember the first LAWS delivered to SF and foot soldiers. The ones used in the battle of Lang Vei by SF that just bounced off the thin skinned tanks that were PT-76's which fortunately were destroyed by the 106 RR's to knock out most of them. Just some examples that I know of.
Bottom line my friend is that I am not aware of any single book that has it all except and a maybe is the Jane's serious of "Infantry Weapons" Books fro around that Era. I am not familiar when Jane's of London started producing their world famous 5lb. books but I have one from 1975 that definately has allot of weapons and grenades in it from Vietnam. For mines, artillery, missles, and rockets, Jane's is the way to go. If that interests you too than keep an eye on e-blaaaaaaaahhhhhhh for those. You can usually find them cheap and used.
I think I will get away from the podium now and allow others to speak up.
Dan, thanks for asking and I hope this reply will give you some good information in regards to what you are looking for and some additional items that you might be of interest to you and others here?
Mark
V40
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