Czech 120-MM

[jvollenberg]

Listed as a 120-MM HE Sabot.

Dia: 20-MM
Length: 710-MM

 

[Alpini]

Did you see any stamps on the shell? I don't think it's Czech, why do you think so?

 

[jvollenberg]

It is what the museum had it tagged as. There are no pictures of stamps taken, which if there would have been we usually capture that. I am guessing it is German, only based on looks.

Joe

 

[HAZORD]

Looks more like German Experimental than anything else.

 

[Bever]

Looks a lot like this one in my opinion :

 

[Alpini]

US experimental?

 

[Bever]

This one is included in the captured German munitions archive.

Basically french but on this list is the German designation :



I’m unsure if the development for this particular one is French or German.

 

[Alpini]

Thank you!

Here's one more with german stamps visible: http://www.bocn.co.uk/vbforum/threads/40715-15-cm-Unknown-Round?highlight=sabot+shell

I was wondering because as far as I can read in the ETO report thread pitches are given in t.p.i. which we did not longer use in this time. But I think it's a mistake in the drawing.

So probably made for captured french guns and compatible with french FATO shells to fit the RYG fuze.

 

[jvollenberg]

That is the problem with the old Aberdeen collection. They have all kinds of weird stuff that is still not correctly ID'd. I don't think it will ever be either.

Thanks guys,

Joe

 

[MINENAZ16]

Seems to have one more band on Bever's example

 

[jvollenberg]

So what would the nomenclature of this one be? I tried to find it on the images of the sheet, but can't seem to figure it out.

Joe

 

[MINENAZ16]

15.5cm Sprgr. TS (Treibspiegel) for French captured gun 15.5cm K418(f)
(see Bever's documentation)
(155mm/135mm w/o sabots)

 

[MINENAZ16]

Joe,
This one from the same musem is listed as 135mm, so could match.
Missing sabots : interesting to see method of fixing