Czech bomb fuzes to ID

[Dreamk]

I have collected from various sources, over the years, photographs of a number of Czech bomb fuzes (or supposed to be such).

Time has come for identification and some more data on these :

1) No details - found in Czech republic - seems indeed to be a bomb fuze but may be an artillery one...



2) No details - found in Czech republic - bomb fuze ? or something else?



3) Pre-1930 ? for 10kg bombs ?



4) 1934 Fuze - for 10-20-50 kg bombs?



5) illumination Flare bomb fuze - vz.34 ?

 

[Nabob]

No 2 is soviet AM-A or AM-B fuze.
The variant where the vane is an integral part if the cap -vane fins come from the bottom of the cap. More common variant has the vane fixed to the top of the cap.
Bob

 

[Dreamk]

Thanks Bob!

Fuzes 3 & 4 have already been discussed on this forum - however the discussion did not arrive to a definitive identification for fuze 3 and remains the question of which kind of bombs received fuze 4 and what was its correct designation.

 

[AKON_]

Hi gentlemen
Coment ad5) is Fuse a Illuminating Bombs Skoda ,
for Illuminating Bombs vz.37(Parachute) (Skoda). Drawings Fuse - Mu 4382 (dated 2.6.1937/Approved by MNO 3.8.1937 ) ; Bomb drawings Skoda Mu 1082 (dated 5.9.1938/The previous design of the Illuminating Bombs vz.37 (Parachute) was according to the drawing Mu 1036).
The fuse lacks a hood and a screw component for hanging on the release carabiner. The bomb and fuse cut is original factory production. An interesting feature of the bomb fuse is the centrifugal safety mechanism.
...
PS: In 1937, the possibility of an attack on the bombing squadrons was studied, and for this purpose, for example, a 10 Sharp Fragmenting Bomb with a time fuse was constructed. The fuse had a structural base in the fuse for the Illuminating Bomb vz.37(Parachute) . Underably, it had an explosive activity.

 

[Dreamk]

[QUOTEPS: In 1937, the possibility of an attack on the bombing squadrons was studied, and for this purpose, for example, a 10 Sharp Fragmenting Bomb with a time fuse was constructed. The fuse had a structural base in the fuse for the Illuminating Bomb vz.37(Parachute) . Underably, it had an explosive activity.][/QUOTE]
Akon Hi!
You mean that the body of the Illuminating Bomb vz.37 served as a basis for an anti-aircraft 10kg fragmentation bomb, with explosive matter filling the body instead of illuminating matter?
or only that the same fuze was used in both bombs?

 

[AKON_]

Hi Dreamk
only that the same fuze(adapted) was used in both 10kg fragmentation bombs...
Akon

 

[Dreamk]

Thanks for the clarification.
BTW I have a strong feeling the the fuze in 1) is for the vz.24 series of bombs.
The presence of what appears to be a safety on the fuze is a good indication for it being a bomb fuze and not an artillery one.

 

[AKON_]

Hi Dreamk
The problem with ad1) and your version that it is a vz.24 bomb fuse is that it does not even hint at design. So the bombs, fuse made by 1924 man completely ruled out - that's for sure. Even according to the thread version and the flange version, the length .. used in P.U.V. bombs. I mentioned P.U.V. here because Škoda produced a smaller series of "PUV fuse", which were only for export in the first half of 30 years.

So far ad1) I see it as an open topic for identification ... is there anyone who could contribute the idea?

PS:
Then there's something else, the fuse originally had a hood and the hood had a red paint .
The brass balaclava was soldered, which is not done with fuses for air bombs...
Then there is the external fuse, if it is for artillery ammunition stabilized by rotation, then it is a directly inappropriate solution ... longitudinal imbalance ..

 

[Dreamk]

So, may be this one could be a vz24 fuze?:


It's a detail from this photograph of a Czech bomb of the early thirties/late twenties (click on it to see it fully):

 

[MINENAZ16]

So, may be this one could be a vz24 fuze?:
View attachment 174185

It's a detail from this photograph of a Czech bomb of the early thirties/late twenties (click on it to see it fully):

View attachment 174188

Hello Dreamk,
Could it be the same bomb ?

 

[AKON_]

Hi Dreamk
Yes , fuse since 1924- cca 1929 ...
Depending on the body shape of the fuse , you will know if there is one or two initiation mechanism ad two cap +1 det.cap . There are even older versions from 1923 that have a slightly different body 1 initiation mechanism -You have the photo here.
Akon

 

[AKON_]

Hi Dremk
ad3) Fuse (Adjustable delay) for 50 kg bombs not for 10 kg bombs.
PS: then there is the 50 -150kg bomb fuse with automatic builders delayed - you don't have a photo here. When I will describe it to you

 

[Dreamk]

Thanks Akon,
The complete bomb is from an EOD museum, while the bomb body is a field finding and I do know know what they did with it (the fins were absent)
Could you explain the markings on the museum bomb - I understand that red means explosive but what's the meaning of the various inscriptions?.

 

[AKON_]

Hi Dreamk ,
The inscriptions are traditionally red at Škoda, under the fuse it is written "T", which means explosive, ie Tritol. Then the S-Series bomb is written. Then it's not an eye under the hanging knob! The Skoda circle in which Skoda's symbol "Winged Arrow" is not visible in the photo is almost erased to the right of it is the year of the laboratory.
PS. Then there was a minor change in the designation of the series and year, but this is just a small detail without affecting this photo.
Akon
PS :
Since 1919, the profession in which unexploded ordnance is handled in the Czechoslovak Republic, Czechoslovakia, the Czechoslovak Socialist Republic is called "Pyrotechnician" and the service is called Pyrotechnic Service. Today I would never take the inscription EOD on a T-shirt or patch a few ugly euros do not throw away the history of our country. Even after the intervention 1968 of the Soviet Army, our designation Pyrotechnics did not change to the Russian name ... Pride in our own history is what we in the EU already honor to steal and replace the EOD? No, thank you I will keep it small, but the Czech word Pyrotechnic The EOD Museum is a museum of what and where? I already know you mean in Slovakia. You will be surprised, however, the pyrotechnic service in Bohemia and Slovakia and Transcarpathian Ukraine in 1919 so it was on the ideological foundations of the Austro-Hungarian army by falsifying history and fogging the name in English will not change anything. It's just on the edge outside the ammunition. If you have patriots in France, they also have their opinion on the foreign term EOD.

 

[Dreamk]

Thanks for the explanations of the bomb inscriptions.
There was no hidden intention behind my use of the term EOD.
As we are on a British forum I used the commonly used designation of EOD to translate the term "pyrotechnické" as I would have used it to translate the French term of "service de déminage" or the Italian "artificieri" or the Austrian "entschärfungsdienst" or the German "kampfmittelbeseitigung" and so on....
The need to have a common language platform, does not imply ignorance of national histories and specificity or lack of respect for them.
Today English is the "Lingua Franca", as similarly in the 19th cent French was the "Lingua Franca" or as was Latin in the middle ages.
No offense is meant by using a "Lingua Franca" term to translate (or approximately translate) a national term when discussing an issue in this same "Lingua Franca".
It's only due to the need to have a common platform for exchange of knowledge and ideas, something this forum has succeeded to be.