What's new
British Ordnance Collectors Network

This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!

Gammon grenade repro

They are pretty good, certainly good enough to fill a hole in your collection. I did:wink:
 
Hi thanks does the fuse strip?? Any photos?? Also what would be the best way to age pointblank???

Thanks

Chase
 
OK I have ordered one and will post pics when it arrives I think for ageing I could use mud etc to dull down the bag

unless anyone else has an idea

thanks
 
I have one of these and the fuze is complete and pretty accuretely reproduced. fill it with modeling clay and you got a pretty much flawless repro. I use mine in my British airborne historical demonstrations.
 
US-Subs said:
No repro is worth the money.
Click to expand...

I disagree... When an original item is not existent or the price of an original item is cost prohibitive or if the repro will be used as a demonstration item then a repro is an acceptable alternative.

That's my two cents.

Cheers,
Brad
 
Tell it to a stamp collector, or coin collector, or art collector. In any of those areas and others, creating reproductions that are not clearly marked as such is considered something clearly other than collecting.

If you collect long enough you will eventually get screwed on one of these, unable to tell from a photo if it is "correct".
When it happens and you want someone to blame, look in the mirror. Everytime one of us sacrifices our collective principles and purchases one of these "forgeries" we are contaminating the pool. We find a hundred excuses, but it is still bs.

If you want to collect conterfeit junk, collect junk. The title of this forum is British "Ordnance" Collectors.

I'll step off my soapbox now.....
 
I totaly agree, its the worse way of collecting, save up money and please buy a real one, the Copy ones you never can sell or trade, the real one always, please stick to original items,
 
Gammon

Hi Chase
Looks the same as the ones that soldier of fortune sell in the UK.
It's fine as a filler in your collection.
The metalwork is die cast so no way you can confuse it with an original.
The fuze is plastic and represents the 247 quite well. Internals are cast solid and if i remember right the ball is not lead.
We mere mortals who have not been blessed with bottomless pockets have to sometimes resort to repros for "must haves"
Nothing wrong with that.
On the subject of repros what about when we restore items. New parts have to be made, does that make them worthless? Not in my eyes...

All the very best

T42
 
On the subject of repros what about when we restore items. New parts have to be made, does that make them worthless? Not in my eyes...

All the very best

T42[/QUOTE]

Since you bring it up.....

New parts do not "have to be made".

Depending on how it is done, restoring items is, in my eyes, the same. You are taking something of a poorer grade and trying to falsely pass it off as something better. The exception to this is replacement of original parts with original parts. A new fuze, a screw, a new original set of fins - but not mock-ups, body filler, paint.

Clean the item to the extent that you can, a bit of oil to prevent corrosion and maintain the original condition, and trade/buy up when you eventually find something better. Too many people want it now, without waiting or working for it. By rushing it they pollute the ordnance pool with fakes. Saying nobody would ever mistake an item for an original is a joke, it happens every day, by accident and by intent.
 
I see you point... but

Hi US-Subs
I respect your views and understand your standpoint but is that really what we want for this forum?
Are we going to turn our backs or worse still, scare off the younger collectors (who, like it or not, are the future of this hobby), or those starting collecting who cannot afford the rarer items of ordnance? To blankly dismiss anything not 100% original as a "pollutant"

I thought the whole point of this site was to help each other no matter what items are taken up for discussion...

All the best
T42
 
This isn't turning our backs or "scaring off" new collectors, its guidance for them. And don't fool yourself, its not just the young collectors who are doing it.

As Ben correctly stated, its the worst way of collecting, in the end the items have no value as fakes, other than to those who will eventually pass them off to some ususpecting fool. They (new collectors) should realize this up front. Also to beware of fakes as they begin collecting and understand what they do to future of the collecting pool. This is the information that they need, as anything else will just make it harder for them in the future to sort the actual legitmate good finds from the fakes or renovations that will rob them of their savings in the future.

If your actual concern is for the collectors of the future I suggest that you re-think how you choose to help them. Continuing in this manner hurts everyone, them most of all. Their lack of experience makes them the most vulnerable to being ripped off. Patience, making connections and hard work builds a good collection, not some guy in his back garage with a can of spray paint and a tub of body filler.
 
Interesting thread chaps. I must have destroyed 30 or so rarden fakes / copies so no one gets conned by them in the future but on the other hand the cap to a 28lb practice bomb i just aquired is smashed to bits and so have just got hold of a billit of ally to turn up a new replacement........ Er, Pot..... Black....... lol
 
I think a one point or another each and every one of us has been "skinned" at least once. Education is the best tool. My personal thought that as a filler I see no problem with a repro. Most are very obvious. I have had repros as fillers then replaced them later with original items to where there is just 1 repro in my collection now. It is made of cast resin so nobody will ever get burned on that one. What does piss me off is seeing surplus stores passing off the "obvious iron 3" Pineapple, lemon and baseball as a government item. Many a young collectors start with these three but it is not long when they figure they were gypped. At least at around 10 bucks each they're not getting totally ripped..................Dano
 
Last edited:
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top