German 2cm projectile

[earni74]

Have I correctly identified this German 2cm projectile as a APHE-T, the red and yellow paint is original, projectile stamps are P490 32a 1940, thanks

 

[tomsk]

P490 Schneider Altenburg

 

[pzgr40/42]

Hello,
I only have seen the combination of a yellow and red band on AP-T with an inert filler.
Are there any other (faint remains of) markings, like: "Ph", "Z", "Zerl", or "O" (stamped in white) on the round?
Greetz, M.

 

[earni74]

hello 'M', thanks for responding, unfortunately there are no ink markings on the shell body, the screw in tracer sits on the steel disc, under the disc is "lead" , the total weight is 147g with tracer , length of projectile minus the tracer unit is 79.6mm, having gone through my books and paperwork I eventually came to the same as you, AP-T inert filled and due to the weight i am assuming it is for the 2cm flak 20x138B cartridge
Mick

 

[pzgr40/42]

Hey Mick,
There are several types of inert fillers used with German WW2 2cm AP.
The one most commonly associated with 20x138/B AP being sulphursand. This may come out as an off-white crumbly pellet which could well be perceived as oxidized lead.
I have not found evidence of any of the other types: bakelite, preßstoff, being used in this calibre. Have found filler pellets of those in 2cm AP for MGFF and 151/20.
I've read and believe(d) that ceramic fillers are in existence as well, but can imagine a very compact sulphursand filler being mistaken for ceramic.
Greetz,
Menno.

 

[earni74]

Hi 'M' thats interesting information and good to know as the books don't tell everything, keep well
Mick

 

[MINENAZ16]

Hello,
Anoher post : http://www.bocn.co.uk/vbforum/threads/104956-German-2cm-ID-4?highlight=german+yellow+red

 

[earni74]

Many thanks for the Link 'M' great to see, here is another round i found on Sunday....Greek 20x110mm Oerlikon, crimped in projectile but with a M505 series fuze, i have tried other Oerlikon and Hispano fuzes but none will fit, it appears to be inert made with a struck primer,any thoughts Mick

 

[womble]

Mick
With regards the fuse it looks like one fitted to 20x102 vulcan, does a 404 fit, bring it with you on Sunday as I have some 404s that might fit.

cheers womble

 

[earni74]

I have tried all my Oerlikon & Hispano fuzes, different threads, if i dont sort it out by Sunday i will bring it along
Mick

 

[womble]

Mick

No problems are your Oerlikon and Hispano just too large to fit, as some of the 404s I have are about 1mm less in diameter.

cheers womble