German 7,5 cm HEAT

[Antoon]

What is the weapon with which this German 7,5 cm HEAT shell with nose fuze A.Z. 38 St. and a tracer was fired.

Because it has a groove below the rotating band I think it should be cartridge ammunition and not separate loading ammunition like the 7,5 cm Infanteriegranate 38 HL/A. for the 7,5 cm leichtes Infanteriegeschütz 18. But the rotating band is similar to the ammunition of the 7,5 cm leichtes Infanteriegeschütz 18.

Greetings - Antoon

 

[Chris]

Maybe this helps Antoon

 

[Antoon]

Maybe this helps Antoon

Thanks Chris,

So separate loading ammunition, but still missing the tracer.

Greetings - Antoon

 

[Antoon]

Could it be the shell from the cartridge for the 7,5 cm Infanteriegeschütz 37, because this gun could also fire the ammunition that was used with the 7,5 cm leichtes Infanteriegeschütz 18.

On the wooden box stands: Patr. Le. I.G. 18 u 7,5 cm I.G. 37.

The abbreviation Patr. stand for Patronen (Cartridge).

Greetings - Antoon

 

[Zunder]

As far as i know this is indeed a shell intended for the 7,5 cm Infanteriegeschütz 37, which was also suitable for the L.i.G 18.
I've added a 5 page report that describes the 7,5 cm Infanteriegeschütz 37 and on the last page the ammunition.

Cheers,

Zünder

 

[Antoon]

As far as i know this is indeed a shell intended for the 7,5 cm Infanteriegeschütz 37, which was also suitable for the L.i.G 18.
I've added a 5 page report that describes the 7,5 cm Infanteriegeschütz 37 and on the last page the ammunition.

Cheers,

Zünder

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Zünder, thank you very much. Problem solved. Also the text explain a lot. HE ammunition for this gun = semi fixed, HEAT ammunition = fixed.

Hopefully someone has a picture that explain the tracer.

Greetings - Antoon

 

[Alan1]

Here are the HE and HEAT versions. Neither is fitted with a tracer unit.
The HE on the left is complete with fuse le Igr Z 23 n A, and the case which is BL is marked Le I G 18. No problem with any of that.
The HEAT round is fitted with a fuse AZ38St, just as Antoon's is, but the case, which is quite clearly QF, is stamped I JG 18. What means I JG 18?
Trying to find a decent eg of the HEAT round is very difficult, as the nose caps have always deteriorated quite significantly.
And the cartridge cases, being steel, are very often badly corroded.
Alan1.

 

[greif]

Here are the HE and HEAT versions. Neither is fitted with a tracer unit.
The HE on the left is complete with fuse le Igr Z 23 n A, and the case which is BL is marked Le I G 18. No problem with any of that.
The HEAT round is fitted with a fuse AZ38St, just as Antoon's is, but the case, which is quite clearly QF, is stamped I JG 18. What means I JG 18?
Trying to find a decent eg of the HEAT round is very difficult, as the nose caps have always deteriorated quite significantly.
And the cartridge cases, being steel, are very often badly corroded.
Alan1.

l JG 18 means leichtes Jnfanterie Geschütz 18 = light infantry gun 18. (the I was often written as a J)

Early HEAT-rounds were semi-fixed and used standard cases with case numbers 6341 (brass) and 6341St (steel). Later HEAT-rounds could be fixed and had a cartridge case with a crimp and a case number 6391St, these cases were slightly necked.

These HEAT-shells can also be found with longer steel caps.

 

[Alan1]

I thank Greif for the information.
To complete the loop, the case fitted to the HE shell is designated 6341St, and that to the HEAT round 6391St, just as he says.
Alan1.